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How Should We Address The Racism Among Us Cape Verdeans?
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cvinla,

all you know about slavery in cape-verde is false. There was a very huge ration of slaves to non-slaves in cv, but that is just an apearance. The fact is that very few of the slaves that were is cv were our ancestors, because cv was just a place were the slave where gathered and then sent to the americas. And in fact the ration of slaves to non-slaves in the early cv population was balanced. that's why the cv population is mixed. And also it has been found that almost all the cv male ancestry was portuguese and that almost 100% of the female ancestry of cv was african. So slavery didnt play the role you have been thaught
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cvinla



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp!
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CV2k



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Is St_Antao really Cape Verdean? Reply with quote

What I'm about to say sounds like a conspiracy theory but it's not and I need to take it out of my chest. For the first time, after reading all the 309 posts by St_Antao since he joined this forum on Wednesday Oct 11, 2006, studying his behavior all along, and comparing and contrasting it with the most radical CVs I know, I started to have serious doubt about him: Is he really Cape Verdean? Or is he one of those bitter colonial minded Portuguese (maybe a son of ex-PIDE) who really resents the fact that Portugal was forced to give Cape Verdeans the independence, and to this day try to do everything they can to subvert any attempt of affirmation of Cape Verde and its people? Rolling Eyes

My forummates, please, help me figure this guy out. Am I too crazy with this idea or is St_Antao a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing among us? Which Cape Verdean, no matter how radical he or she is, can be so opposed to every and any progressive ideas and discussions to help the Cape Verdean people? Which Cape Verdean would spend every minute of his time online to publicly embarrass his own people with crazy and dark ideas like his? Which Cape Verdean would reject all the facts about Cape Verde and just go on with his Portuguese colonial preconceive views and ideas? In mind my, only a colonial mindset Portuguese that didn't get over the fact that Amilcar Cabral and the rest of Cape Verdeans kicked their butt out of the country and took our land back would go that far.

Has St_Antao started to drive me insane or are my doubts about him reasonable? Is anybody having this kind of thoughts too or am I going to far?

Please, give me some therapy on St_Antao because I'm starting to "see dead people" . Smile
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G.Silva



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes
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salah Mateus



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:21 am    Post subject: RETURN TURN TO THE SOURCE-NO PINTCHA!!!! Reply with quote


Cv2K We think that for sure you have made the correct examination
of the person in question. You do not need to see a shrink your analysis
of the final outcome after your research is right on the money.

This is what we have been saying all the time. There are many like that person who in the past those families were in control and governed Cabo Verde with an iron fist. Amilcar Cabral and other militants of PAIGC and as quiet as it is kept Cabral had many Portuguese working along side to help to over come the injustice of colonialism.

Those racist colonialist who controlled those countries in Africa were beaten by men like Cabral,Mondalane,Neto and others who were liberators,and freedom fighters.

Can you imagine the lost of Banks(money) Land and homes and the good life they had in the exploitation of the people of Africa.(Cabo Verde,Guinea Bissau,Angola,Mozambique.
Many of them had to leave in a great hurry with only their shirts on their backs.
Those who were crooks,dishonest,thieves,robber barons and who violated all of what justice stood for. They who made the people of Cabo Verde (Africa)wretched,distressed in body and mind and deeply afflicted and dejected and miserable.

Ask your self why was people of Cabo Verde sent by the thousands to work for slave labor in St.Tome Principie (Kain Ke mostrabu es Kamino lounge) Why did we tryto escape to make such dangerous,perilous at loss of life to many foreign shores. There is so much that is so deep that we should never forget. Many who made it to what ever country they found themselves were so afraid to tell us all the truth because the fascist exercise strong autocratic or dictatorial control among some CaboVerde people like the person in question both here in the USA and other countries Not only (pide) but some CV & Portuguese lackeys.

Now you can see the hate against Amilcar Cabral against PAIGC/PAICV/MPLA/Freelimo and other liberators for freedom.

It is still not over completly we still have them out there some place in their madness,in France,USA,Portugal and many other countries,even still in Cabo Verde.But they are few in numbers but they continue to stir the pot of hatred and malice aginst those who are trying in all honesty to make CABO VERDE A DEMOCRACY,ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO BE FREE AND TO ADVANCE ON ALL SOCIAL LEVELS.

It is not an easy task,you don't overcome 500 years of poverty and degradation and slavery and moral intellectual decadence in 32 years.
Cabo Verde was a place of holocaust;fires that were started on the mountain sides to kill those Africans who were forced to higher grounds.

Cabo Verde was among the first boat people. We don't know much of the true history and much that has been dicovered is kept quiet and buried to be left in the past. Deus knows the truth. Most of the people who came here in the 1800 or those who were 1st generation would some times tell the story in folk-lore and art forms of dance. listen carefully to our music and watch carefully to the dances,the rhythm and the rituals that have been past down and that is displayed today.Ha Ha

Ask Ra Mendes who is now in California a PH.D in musicology also Ambassador in the Art form of Ancient Africa. Ra and his brother JA Mendes are not only historians but also Historicism and historiography.

That is why we must be very viglant.

Manu Salah
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cvinla



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am beginning to wonder. It doesn't make sense. I was scratching my head after his response to my last post. This is the downside to the anonymity of this forum or any forum in general. So I guess if he continues to bum everyone out we just don't respond to his post which has been mentioned by several of you recently. I don't understand how those of you who have been on this forum for awhile have survived his insanity for this long.

BUT could it be good that he antagonizes because it reveals the attitudes of the colonial mindset which fueled the independence of CV? Many of us American CV's (including myself) don't know all of the history and do not know people like ST Antao. So his views, although in the minority, reflect the way some still think and most important is relfects the reason why CV's fought for Self-Rule.

ST Antao can be compared to those who deny the holocaust. But that denial just makes the Jewish community stonger and more cohesive and it reminds them that they can never relax or forget that they have enemies.
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salah Mateus



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT LET IT BE THE LAST WORD UP ON THAT. SHUN EVIL.
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so why everything I tell is happening?

why there is a so strong split between AA, and cv-americans?
why portugal and azores and madeira are pushing so strong to include somehow cv in the EU?
why is the paicv trying to get reintegrated into portugal?
why did cv immigrate to the usa at the same time than other south-european people wave starting in 1850?
why did the guinea bissau did a coup against cv political leaders in 1981?
why is it me who is writting a phd thesis and not cvinla or lu da silva?
maybe because I am the only brain that can go behind appearances and find the truth

why am I allways right?
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cvinla



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ST Antao. I don't have time to write a thesis as I am too busy running a multimillion dollar business that I started from scratch. And how do we all know that your thesis won't STINK? A thesis is only good if it makes sense and since you don't make much sense I can't imagine that your thesis will be any good.
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

multimillin dollar? I understand better now.

So my answer is:

let the businessman do their business and let the intelectuals think...so go back to your dollars and I will go back to my library
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cvinla



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

St Anato, You as a PHD candidate should know that entrepreneurs are very smart people. Starting and running a business not only takes brains but it takes GUTS and GREAT PEOPLE SKILLS. There are many people with their PHD's who are completely useless.

WHat is the purpose of all your education if you do not have the skills to relate to people. I am sure this forum is a reflection of your personal life.

You should use this forum to connect with people and build contacts that could prove very useful to you in the future. It is ok to disagree but you really need to change your approach.

If you want people to take you seriously, you must sell yourself better.
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Politicians and businessmen don't have oppinions they just follow the dollars...

I am not here looking for glory or political exposure. I am here to give back to the cabralistas and the racists what they wanted to do to us. The propaganda of the cabralistas and the willing of the racists to force us to deny that we are portuguese will bring me back here again and again.
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Kakau



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cvinla wrote:
I am sure this forum is a reflection of your personal life.


I bet tht's the case, too. And I also would bet dollars to donuts that he gets beat-up, verbally, as well as physically, because of his views. And guess what, some "yanbabs" wish to do nothing more than beat up somebody like him. They think that CVs like "st_antao" make them look closer to black in the eyes of the Anglos.
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I told you thousands of times that I wieght 100kg, and I am above 1m90...so nobody wants to beat me. then I don't mix with portuguese peole or cv people so there is very little chance that a portuguese tries anything against me. And as you can see in this forum my rethoric is to strong for the average portuguese or even anglo to ridicule me. Look at all the $millionaires who are here in this forum begging me to leave or to be banned.

Also don't forget that I allways destroyed all your argumentations and afro-american and afro-centrist ideas. This will continue.
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cvinla



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Sh_t!!!! If St Antao is fair, straight hair, fine features, and basically looks white than maybe we can understand his views. Then he is just a "Wanna Be". But if he is a little Chocolito--any shade--then he needs to go to Lisbon and shout "I am Portuguese." Than it would be funny to watch people throw their Sapatos at him and shout "Calaboca Preto"! (sorry for the spelling)

Here is a good story.
One day in high school I said to a girl who was half Portuguse and half CV "well you're Cape Verdean" and she said "No, I'm not. I am Portuguese". I was like huh? So of course she threw me off for a minute, being 17 and not understanding how someone could deny their CV heritage when they KNEW I knew their Mom who was very DARK. When I told my Mom, (who was friends with her Mom) what happened she told me that the Mom told her that she told her girls to say they were Portuguese and never say they were CV. Both girls, even though they had straight hair, were dark and it was obvious that they had a little "something, something" going on. So Anyway, I heard that later a Portguese American guy called her the N word in front of everyone at a party. Hahahaha! RUDE AWAKENING.

ST Antao will have his awakening one day. (unless of course he is white or near white). If this is the case he should just CROSS OVER now.

Dippity DO Dah Dippity Day, My oh My what a wonderful day. Plenty of sunshine here in LA, dippity do dah dippity day. (couldn't resist that)
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

basically I am a complex mix, between, portuguese (white, jews and arabs from portugal) and west africans. I look more like a brown skinned marrocan.

Why do you pay so much attention to what the portuguese say? are they ruling you?
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cvinla



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DUDE, You are like a YOYO. You are confusing yourself at this point.
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do the portuguese or anyone else decide who you are? do you have any control on your identity?
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Kakau



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cvinla wrote:
RUDE AWAKENING.

ST Antao will have his awakening one day.


It's already happened. He's been called "preto do caralho" more than a thousand times by the yanbabs. And the phrase "portugues preto nunca vi" sounds very familiar to him.
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CV2k



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahahahahaha ahahahahah ahahahaha. Laughing You gotta give hi five to those yanbabs to give CVs like St_Antao a knock-it-off theraphy like that.
I laugh at their public humiliation for their stupidity and racism , but deep inside I really feel sorry for them because after these moments they usually become more confused. Luckily for them, African people have big hearts. We always are open to taken them back and show them the light.

But for now let me have some fun with St_Antao's "preto do Ca**lho."
Ahahahahaha ahahahahah ahahahaha. Laughing

P.S. A confession: Although I voted for St_Antao to be banned from this forum too, I'm going to miss him. I often crack some jokes and laughs on his stupidity.

St_Antao, here is one for you: Picture a funeral procession and enjoy this melody: "Pa pa paraaaaah... pa pa paraaaaahhh."
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CV2k wrote:
Ahahahahaha ahahahahah ahahahaha. Laughing You gotta give hi five to those yanbabs to give CVs like St_Antao a knock-it-off theraphy like that.
I laugh at their public humiliation for their stupidity and racism."


You are amazing, and hopeless.

so you will call me racist if I tel the truth (I am portugese), but you just don't see any racism in a portuguese who would call a cv "preto" or "negro". you are an hopeless AA, You are still their slave.

the quote above is the difference between you and me.
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CV2k



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crying or Very sad
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G.Silva



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sinta10 says to CVinla:

Quote:
Why do you pay so much attention to what the portuguese say? are they ruling you?


hehehehehe. Are "they"? i thought YOU was portuguese?
A real tuga (sorry, mandrongo, hohohoho) would say Are WE rulling you, in that sentence. Dude, like someone said here. You are a joke!

Since you just proved us you not a "portuga", i got a question for ya!

ARE THEY RULLING YOU!? Hehehehehehehe


P.S. - Back then, they would call you "House ni***r". Those slaves who would cry when they masters house get burned. HOUSE NUCCCAAAAAA!
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you never wonder why all the mixed race in the world, claim to be blacks? well, it is because their masters, the whites, don't want them to claim that they are white. (and there is no other reason for that). So every capeverdean who claims to be portuguese is defying the whites.
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