i have no problem with differing points of view....it makes the world go 'round. but correct me if i'm wrong between you, kakau and salah...we all know where you stand and we all know you're unyielding in your opinions. no problem..you speak about 'respect' but correct me if i'm wrong (and i believe reviewing all your past posts bears this out), you're differeing points of view eventually descend into disrespect...and i'm only speaking for myself...that gets old. which is why i stated, just agree to disagree and start another topic. or to put it another way 'everyone declare victory and go home' i can only watch kittens chasing their tails for so long.

Before concluding that Cape Verde is a part or not of Africa, you should visit Africa ( and visit Europe to know if CV is a part of it too).
You should visit Senegal, Guine, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Mali, Burkina, etc. and visit also Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania etc.. and know those people and culture.
You have to do the same thing with Spain, Italy, Portugal.

Only after that YOU CAN KNOW IF CAPE VERDE IS A PART OF AFRICA OR OF EUROPE.

I think that Cape Verdeans are African reguardless of skincolor or hair because we are the descendants of Cape Verde, and Cape Verde is in Africa. I have a friend that is 100% Black [[not Cape Verean or anything just Black]] and she is very light skinned, has blue/gray eyes and long hair. Even though she may 'look mixed[half black and half white] or look Puerto Rican' she knows she is Black, period. Another example of why we are African is Puerto Ricans. Puerto Ricans are a mix of Spanish, Black, and Native American but you don't hear a Puerto Rican classifying themselves as Native American, Spanish or Black. They classify themsleves as Latino because they ARE Latino, the same way we are African. If someone thinks they aren't African because they are light skinned, I think that person has been overly influenced by America. African people come in all kinds of colors and hues and Cape Verdeans are one of the best examples of that.

...That's my opinion anyways...
much luv...DEUCEZ

the only thing is while I believe we are African, I think that we should be careful when we refer to ourselves as Black, because then we lose our culture. Black in the US is such a general term that covers such a large group of people that if we refer to ourselves as Black, as time goes by it's like we forget where we came from...

Some place on this forum you will find many topic dealing with the question of color. No one should be classified by color but in a racist society such as the one we live in that is par for the course.

A person from India dark as ace of spades never says they are black there are from India that is how the identitify themselves even when they come to the USA thay are still Indian from India not by a color.

People from Asia may the same color tone but they don't go around saying I am yellow they identify with there country of origin,Japan,Korea,China or Vietnamese.

The color code system is the apartheid system from Union of South Africa and The United States of America both (USA).

Black,Brown,Red,or Olive so what judge folk by the content of character not by color of skin. African Americans come in many shade from dark to light,brown eyes to blue and green so what. The color code system is the revolving door of racism to divide. Look how Webster's dictionary has even today. Wake up and smell the coffee. Africa is a continent with many different nations or tribes or clans,they are all from Africa but they are not all the same. Same is true of what is called South America or of Asia. Remember the people who are saying Black today were from Africa and they they came from many noble tribes. Africa is the birth place of all humanity. Many different colors and complexsion so what. It was the European from the backward ice age that stole the identities of others that was there idea of race meaning to be first in a race to make others less. Thats what happens when you have low self esteem.

Remember what Dr. Martin Luther King said. I have seen Africans so black there were blue and some African Albinos white and red eyes so what. Be the best you can be be a good person be righteous all the rest of it is BS. Only colors I am interested in is Green and Gold and Black oil and Diamonds.

domiverde

quite strange when you wrote "Another example of why we are African is Puerto Ricans. Puerto Ricans are a mix of Spanish, Black, and Native American but you don't hear a Puerto Rican classifying themselves as Native American, Spanish or Black. They classify themsleves as Latino because they ARE Latino, the same way we are African. "

well, puerto ricans are not latinos, they are americans, the same way we are africans...by the way the latin culture comes from italy, portugal, spain and france so there is no reason for the puerto-ricans to be more latino than the cape-verdeans...unless if in the usa, latino=spanish-speaking country...

why don't the puerto-ricans just tell that they are americans?

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I dont really understand the point you were making, bbut maybe that's because it's early but I'll respect your opinion none the less

domiverdean, I hope you are awake now

my point was that latino is not a geographic term but rather an ethnic term, a puerto-rican that tells that he is latino is the same than a capeverdean telling that he is portuguese.

If capeverde is in africa and should call themselves africans, then puerto rico is in the americas and they should call themselves americans instead of latinos, latino is not a geographic location is an ethnic identity...I hope you get the point now

and also don't be fooled by ignorance, when the puerto ricans tell that they are latino, it is another way to tell that they are spanish. Why?

because the latin culture is born in italy in the latium, then the roman empire spread it to spain, france, portugal, and then portugal and spain spread the latin culture in south-america, when a puerto-rican is telling that he is latino this is an hidden way to tell that he is a spanish...

actually i dont think what you said about puerto ricans not being in the proper location [[if that was what you were saying, correct me if i'm wrong]] is incorrect because Latin American countries are from North America to South America and Puerto Rico [[along with DR and Cuba]] are islands off the coast of North/Central America, so I think they are considered part of Latin America. What you said about Puerto Ricans using Latino as a way to call themsleves Spanish, I completely disagree with you. I think you're getting too technical on me because while what you said may be the legit definition of Latino, no one really uses Latino to refer to anyone from Italy or Portugal [[no one that I know anyways]]. The Portuguese and Italian people I know don't even refer to themselves as Latino. I also disagree with that because when people ask my Puerto Rican friends if they're Spanish, they reply with NO! I'm LATINO.

domiverdean,

lets try to make it clearer

1) you said that capeverdeans have to identify with africans because cv is located in africa, that's a geographical approach

2) then, and I don't understand why, you say that puerto ricans are right to say that they are latinos, which is an ethnical aproach and not related to geograpghy

3) geographycally speaking, puerto-rico is closer to north america than south america, so they should call themselves just americans, if as you suggested the best is to use the geographical approach

4) behind the world latino, the people who have been colonised by spain are trying to link themselves with the latin people, the original latin people is the people from the latium in italy. because the latin people colonised spain through the roman empire 2000years ago, spain is a latin country and during the colonisation of south-america, spain latinized the south american population through interacial mixing by spanish people and locals, and also through cultural references created by the educational system. The only reason why south americans are right to claim that they are latin is because spain (a latin country) colonised them and forced them to incorporate the latin culture.
So this means that anytime a south-american person is calling himself a latino, he is refering to the culture brought to south america by the spanish...and some how it is an hidden way to tell I am a spanish.

5) capeverde like south america has been colonised by a latin country (yes, portugal is a latin country). through interacial mixing and the educational system, the capeverdeans have been latinized and have incorporated the latin culture from portugal, in the same way that it happened in south-america. That's why the cape-verdean refer themselves as portuguese and geography doesn't take into account this very important fact for the capeverdean culture...So forget your geographical approach for capeverde, it doesn't explain capeverdean culture just as much as geography alone doesn't explain puertorican culture...

[[Let's try to make it clearer]]

I'm not sure if this is what you're trying to do, but it seems like you're disrespecting me, and that's unecessary

and i don't recall saying that cape verdeans have to identify with africans -- i said that in my opinion, it makes more sense for them to do so, but if a cape verdean wants to go calling themselves portuguese, it's really their business

and once again i think you are being too technical with me about geographical location and stuff w/ latinos vs. africans...it's kind of abstract thinking, so I can't really explain it as clearly as I'd like to

domiverdean, tell us more about you

do you think that capeverde should be defined as africans 1)because cape-verde is at large of africa or 2) because the capeverdean culture for you is similar to the culture of countries like nigeria, angola, senegal, kenya or guinea-bissau?