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St_antao
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: Cape Verde is in Macaronesia, not West Africa. |
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MacaronesiaMacaronesia, que viene del griego y significa "Islas Alegres o Afortunadas", es el nombre colectivo de varios grupos de islas en el Atlántico Norte y parte de la costa occidental del continente africano. Poseen muchos aspectos naturales (botánicos y zoológicos), geológicos y climatológicos en común, como por ejemplo la presencia de laurisilva, comunidad vegetativa que comparten Azores, Canarias y Madeira.
La región macaronésica está compuesta por los siguientes archipiélagos (de norte a sur) con el número de islas habitadas:
Islas Azores (Portugal) 9 islas.
Madeira (Portugal) 2 islas.
Islas Salvajes (Portugal) 1 isla (no habitada pero regulada).
Islas Canarias (España) 7 islas.
Islas de Cabo Verde (Cabo Verde) 10 islas (una de ellas no habitada pero regulada)
A estas islas, se añade el llamado enclave macaronésico africano, una zona de la costa africana situada aproximadamente entre Canarias y Cabo Verde, entre la costa del Sahara Occidental y el Rio Gambia, aproximadamente, que comparte algunas de las especies endémicas de los archipiélagos Macaronésicos.
Las islas de la Macaronesia son de origen volcánico producidas por fenómenos de intraplaca ligados, tal vez, a uno o varios puntos calientes en el Océano Atlántico. Tampoco se descarta la relación con la misma actividad tectónica que originó el Atlas africano.
El clima macaronésico abarca desde el subtropical al tropical. Azores y Madeira presentan mayor índice de lluvias que Canarias y Cabo Verde.
Las islas presentan ecosistemas únicos compuestos por fauna y flora endémica. Ninguna fue parte del continente africano geológicamente, así que la biodiversidad alcanzó las islas a través de la vía aérea y marítima. Destaca la laurisilva, bosques de la era terciaria que cubren zonas de Madeira, Azores, Canarias e Islas Salvajes. Estos bosques son reductos de los que cubrían la zona mediterránea antes de la glaciación. La tala de bosques para obtener madera y tierras cultivables ha producido un importante retroceso de la vegetación nativa, encontrándose la laurisilva reducida a pequeños reductos. La mayor parte de la biota de las islas se encuentra en grave peligro de extinción. |
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salah Mateus
Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 365
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: Read it all for the right information. |
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Dear Friends it is so good to hear from St.Antao.
We are very happy to see you are well and doing good.
We do thank you for that information on Cabo Verde also spelled
Cape Verde.
We would suggest to all; that our dear friend did not give all the information on the location of Cabo Verde,but we understand why.
Wikipedia encyclopedia does make reference to the word Macaronesia,
it also very clearly says that Cabo Verde is West Africa,how could you miss that?
It also reads that Macaronesia is a modern collective name for several groups of islands in North Atlantic Ocean near Europe and North Africa, a name from the Greeks.
We would also suggest that folk read more about Cabo Verde in the
US Department of State Background Note on Cabo Verde.
Then we ask you to look at the map and you decide the location of Cabo verde in respect to Africa and to Europe.
Oh by the way,lets note that Cabo Verde no longers belongs to Portugal as stated in the old Wikipedia Encyclopedia.
St.Antao you never cease to amaze me. I would have thought by now you would have gotten it right. Shame on you you must have failed geography. Location: Cabo Verde is West Africa
Nice try but it does not work.
Wishing you the best.
Manu Salah |
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alberto
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 15 Location: dakar
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Hello
It is my first visit on this website.. I am very happy to meet people of cape verde also.
just a question: Why Gorée Island, in Senegal, is not par of Macaronesia?
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alberto
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 15 Location: dakar
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Cape Verde is not part of West Africa any more.. It is located 500 km far from Africa. Why not Canarias islands ( only 40 km from Africa) a part of Africa? |
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alberto
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Before concluding that Cape Verde is a part or not of Africa, you should visit Africa ( and visit Europe to know if CV is a part of it too).
You should visit Senegal, Guine, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Mali, Burkina, etc. and visit also Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania etc.. and know those people and culture.
You have to do the same thing with Spain, Italy, Portugal.
Only after that YOU CAN KNOW IF CAPE VERDE IS A PART OF AFRICA OR OF EUROPE. |
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St_antao
Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 334 Location: FR
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: |
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the fact is that africa is a whole continent, and this whole continenet is subdividised into sub-regions (north africa, west africa, austral africa....) and macaronesia is one of these regions. Cape-verde is more likely to belong to macaronesia than west-africa |
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alberto
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 15 Location: dakar
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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It is the first time people say that CV is a part of macaronesia. I never hear that before. Can I get more information about that. |
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forcv Site Admin

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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: Cape Verde's African Status is in Jeopardy |
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Cape Verde's African Status is in Jeopardy
By Sam Araújo  FORCV Contributor & Blogger - cvflafla.com
[The original posting] dealt with the location of the Cape Verde Islands (Cape Verde is in Macaronesia not West Africa). I know we have seen it in a world map and it is clear that it is off the west coast of Africa . More precisely, 500 km or 311 miles away from the coast at the 16 00 N, 24 00 W coordinates.
It challenged not only their location, but also their nature; which the author locates them in the Macaronesia Ecoregion of the North Atlantic Ocean . This is explained in full detail on Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Verde), where Cape Verde is associated geographically with the Azores (over 1,000 miles from Africa), Madeira (360 miles from Africa), and Canary Islands (67 miles from Africa ). The Word Macaronesia is Greek for "Fortunate Islands ."
I must admit, that this is the first time that I have heard the term Macaronesia. Okay, now that we know about it, let us look at its significance. We know that we are a people of many cultures and ethnicities, but primarily we are Africans and Europeans. Besides our appearances, what will tie us the most to our African roots now that this idea of Macaronesia is gaining ground?
Once you establish your beliefs, whatever they may be, you will need to see beyond the sentimentality of the location of Cape Verde and the significance of this new reality. A main implication is the calling for Cape Verde to become a part of the European Union. Former Portuguese Premier, Mario Soares has been a vocal proponent the Cape Verde induction into the E.U. Many others are sighted saying that Cape Verde is more European than many current E.U. member states; because of its freedoms, customs, economics, and culture.
http://www.afrol.com/articles/16293
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The economic value of Cape Verde to Europe is a vastly untapped territory. Look at the pace of foreign investment coming into the country in terms of housing, tourism, and search of natural resources. Nearly one third of Cape Verde Islands is now owned by foreign investors, primarily, the Italians, the Chinese, the Germans, and the British. In agreements with foreign governments, the Cape Verdean government has reached proposals to begin natural gas explorations. And in land dealings, most of Cape Verde ’s once pristine beaches and mountains are now in the hands of hoteliers, Golf developers, and other tourist financiers. http://www.macauhub.com.mo/en/news.php?ID=1354
A military goldmine location is another reason for this new interest in Cape Verde . North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) has for many years now, have been attracted by the islands for its geographical location in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean . In June of 2006, roughly 8,000 NATO troops were granted permission to conduct military war games exercises over Cape Verde ’s airways and waterways. In turn, Cape Verde is looking for better economic ties and the possible inclusion into the European Union.
http://www.nato.int/shape/issues/shape_nrf/sfjg_06.htm
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Sooner rather than later, Cape Verdeans will be forced to chose Africa or Europe. In the meantime, the Cape Verdean government has already taken a stand and it is leaning towards Europe. This is where the Macaronesia idea once again becomes crucial, as Europeans will be sold this notion that Cape Verdean are the same as the Azoreans, Madeirense , and the Canary Islanders. Meanwhile, African nations will soon cry fowl, because, they are in their own rights, looking to devise the plans to create a United States of Africa.
http://unitedstatesafrica.com/
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PUB From an immigrant point of view, our hearts tell us that Cape Verde should remain militarily and economically independent. Or if a choice must be made, then we should remain African. But reality is very different for our brothers and sisters on the ground, so the recent moves by the Cape Verdean government are a reflection of how they perceive the world today. The world is divided now into many economic clusters, such as: The North American Free Trade Agreement, The European Union, and The South Asia Free Trade Agreement, etc.
Cape Verdeans do not feel that that have the luxury of time to wait for Africans to make up their minds and organize their intentions. My feeling is that we will call ourselves European before the end of the next decade. And race has little or nothing to do with the final outcome.
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Kakau
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Mr. Araujo,
Your points are valid and I and others, I'm sure, do appreciate them. However, allow me to share some important clarificatory information with you. Cape Verde isn't seeking admission into the European Union (EU). Cape Verde is not eligible to seek such admission. Why? Because it is not a European country. It's an African country, politically and geographically and whatnot. That fact, the authorities in Cape Verde are very aware of. Nonetheless, one thing that CV authorities are equally very aware of is, a special partnership (estatuto especial) with Europe can provide Cape Verde with massive resources. RESOURCES, you see, is what Cape Verde is after, through a special partnership with the EU. That won't make us any less African than we already are. However, it'd make the lives of those in the ground (in Cabo Verde) as you'd say, much more comfortable, as the financial resources to come would dramatically reduce the indexes of poverty in those fortunate isles (Cabo Verde). In the mean time, after Cabo Verde's goal of attaining a special status with Europe, materializes, Cape Verde will still remain a member of the African Union(AU). The other members of the African Union will not fret about our attaining a special partnership with Europe, they know that Cabo Verde being a a vulnerable island nation needs such partnership with the old rich continent to remain viable in this global economy. |
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salah Mateus
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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My question is will the people who look like African who are in the majority
in Cabo Verde be accepted as Europeans?
Why do you think that is the case?
As a matter of fact it would seem to me if we go by the location of those other Islands that you mention that they too would be part of the African geography.
Just because they were colonized by Europeans does that make them Europe. Stolen property would you not say?
We think that Cabo verde will remain Cabo Verde and we all know the history of Cabo Verde.
If thieves steal money from a bank should not the bank have the right to reclaim there stolen property?
Just a few thoughts on the subject
Manu Salah |
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Kakau
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Again, what Neves' goverment is seeking is not admission into the European Union (EU) but a special partnership with the EU, which will allow Cabo Verde to get more grants (free money) from the European Union, which in turn, will dramatically reduce poverty levels in the fortunate isles. If this special partnership with the European Union materializes, it may also mean that Cape Verdeans would no longer need visas to enter European Union member nations. Quality of life would dramatically improve for Cape Verdeans if this plan comes to fruition. And as I stated previously, in the aftermath, Cabo Verde will still be a member of the African Union. So we can have our cake and eat it too. |
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St_antao
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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maica, I am glad to see that you finally understood what this special status means. It is a real opportunity for cape-verde. There is several cases of special status with the EU, norway/iceland/swisserland have a special status which is very similar to full membership with freedom of movement inside the EU, turkey/israel have a special status but without freedom of movement.
The possibility of this special status is 90% due to the involvement of the Portuguese governement which is lobying inside the EU for nearly 5 years in order to convince the other EU members that cv deserves this status. Portugal also help the cv escudo to have a fixed peg with the euro which is giving credibility to the cv-economy in the EU area. Cape-verde did a lot of efforts to reach these goals and it is good. Whitout the support of portugal these efforts would have brought results. So we need to "give to ceasar what belongs to ceasar..." and thank portugal for its involvement. Also the 3 autonomous regions of macaronesia (azores/madeira/canarias) have brought a huge support to cv ambitions, and particularly azores local governement. |
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