You know from your posts, you come off as the most pitiful and pathetic white 'wanna-be' in the whole world. And I bet that when they tell you that are you a preto and that 'portugues preto nao existe' you then wish you could take a pill and drain the black blood that flows thorough your veins. That being said, I figured you might want to get in contact with that scientist that made the black blood-draining pill.

maica,

you are projecting on me your frustrations.

naw, man, I'm not projecting anything on you. I'm very at peace with my blackness.

I am a bit disapointed by you salah,

why do you take a sentence out of its context.

Let me remind you the context...Maica/kakau told in a previous message that the portuguese universities are not good, that portuguese students are not good...and he never stops to criticise portugal and the EU contries. Then my question in that context, is very accurate. Why do you go to study in Portugal or the EU if you don't like them. Why don't you go to study in nigeria or brazil or senegal, or malaysia. Maica's position is schyzophrenic, because he critices the EU countries and then he would be happy if one of his familly members would be able to go study there.

The fact is that if CV was still part of portugal, as an independent territory, the capeverdeans could go to study in portugal without restriction and also to france, england or holland without restriction thanks to the EU "freedom of movement act"

Salah, why do take sentences out of their context?

The only reason my brother had to go to Portugal to earn a master degree was because that was the only option he had. If he had an alternative choice, he certainly would have gone to the U.S. for his undergraduate and graduate university studies. You see, St_antao, you don't seem to know that in Cape Verde the government determines where a CV student will get his college education. And portugal is where they send them. It's not my choice that they go to Portuguese universities. In ther words, the vast majority of Cape Verdean students would not go to portugal for a college(university) education if they have other options.

quite obvious everything your telling there. Even the portuguese students would prefer to go to the usa, canada, england or france to study.

Where you are missing my point, is that if cv was still a portuguese independent territory, the cv students would have the choice on which university they will go because they would have no immigration problem inside the EU, and portugal would not have been the only opportunity for higher education.

See, what your problem is, you fail to understand that national sovereignty is supreme. No people can truly feel dignified without national sovereignty. In other words, the status of "minino mandado" or "independent territory", i.e. re-colonization, that you propose would be psychologically drastic to Cape Verdeans as a collective body. Moreover, no college degree, not even if the entire CV student population had the opportunity to go to Harvard or Oxford would replace the supreme validity of Cabo Verde's independence and sovereignty.

so why do you live in the usa, why don't you stay in your country, if you are so proud of it. Why are you so keen to forget your origins to replace it with the afro-american culture?

To look for resources; to look for oportunities; to look for ways and means. Just like when Europeans went to Africa, America, and Asia looking for resources because there were not enough in their own territory, and that did not change the fact that they were Europeans;

Now it is the turn of Asian, African and South American people to go look for resources and oportunities where they are ( in the so called developed countries), but that will not change the fact that they are who they are.

They are not interested in selling themselves in exchange of oportunities: Sovereignty of a people is a big source of dignity and pride.

Cabrala

St_antao's english has actually gotten alittle better throughout the years. His english used to be really horrible, coupled with his not very bright mind, I'm pretty sure you can imagine how much more annoying he was. We used to battle in another forum. Sometimes he aggravated me so much that at times wished I could have morphed into my computer and physically drill some sense in his block head. But I'm pass that now, and you will too. You just have tolerate him, because you see, it's not his fault he has a dismally low grasp of international politics, it's by design that he lacks the said understanding.

yes maica,

you have been my sparing partner for years. I allways won our battle and came back again and again untill you give up, that's the biggest difference between you and me.

Salah, I am sure that everything I write is understandable, your main problem is that you are not open minded, and also I will NEVER share the same ideas than you (this is very clear I hope). Furthermore, you take sentences out of their context.

Cabrala,

you are doing the same than salah (reply to a sentence out of context), my questions were in fact an answer. I asked maica why did he left his country to go to america if he is so proud of its nationality, why to be first rat to give up the sinking boat, why is maica so keen to swap is capeverdean culture to the afro-american culture if he is so proud of his nationality (maica lives with these paradoxes)

maica pretends to be proud of his nationality but he was the first rats to leave the sinking boat...

I tell you what, st_antao, I left Cabo Verde for the same reason your poor illeterate parents did - that is, for better opportunities. The difference between your parents and me, though, is that one of the opportunities I took advantage of in America, is education. See, your parents by virtue of being illeterate and not bothering to educate themselves did you a big disfavor because their apathy towards education and political literacy affected you big time, you see. Specifically, it reflects in your dismally low grap of international politics and your pathetic wishful thinking.

What makes you believe that you are more educated than me? Are you a mythomaniac person? Or are you a complexed person?

I would like to answer about my parents, but I know that 1) you would feel inferiorized by my curriculum, 2) then to cope with my curriculum you would pretend that I am a liar.

In terms of education, you can't have more degrees than me.

But we need to go back to the topic. Yes dont avoid to explain why you went to look for better opportunities abroad if you are so proud of the cv nationality, why do you give up your country. You could have stayed there and helped cape verde to devlop.

Instead of this, maica, you are the first to drop your cv culture for the afro-american culture, if you could you would erase the your capeverdean origins.

Hey St-antao what is your nationality?What country were u born in?
And what is your real name?What school are you going too now?
Your really a wonderful person and you like to play mind games,you remind me of my son who is 27.
So what are you looking for into the future for the Portuguese speaking countries? Are you aware that with all the Africans now in Portugal,it is becoming darker and darker.As a matter of fact Canary and the Azores is thinking of joining the A.U. What are your thoughts about this my dear cousin> Ha Ha Ha. Portugal is going to be the first African country in lower Europe. Tell me the name of the African man( Negro) that ruled Portugal from Brazil. First time in Portugals history. I bet you don't know ?

salah,

you are wrong in one point, it is not portugal which will become the first african nation of europe, it is france.

There is 4.5 million blacks sub-saharians in france and there is more than 8 million arabo-berbers. This makes 12 million of african origin people out of a population of 64 million, which represents 20% of the population. Mixed race couples are running high.

The fact that canary islands are joining the african union doesn't make them less iberian people, they are iberian people who are living in an african islands.

It is very intresting to come to the point that is the angular stone of my messages here. You salah, you think that if portugal have african blood they will stop to be a white people. I think that if portugal have african blood they will still continue to be whites, because being white is an ethnicity. that's why I think that cv is portuguese and so a white people. Because the fact of having some african blood doesn't prevent you to be white as long as the portuguese culture is the main component.

WHY IS IT YOU NEVER ANSWER THE QUESTIONS?

I WAS JUST PULLING YOUR CHAIN MY BROTHER, I AM NOT CONCERNED
ABOUT THE BLOOD OR ETHNICITY OR THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN; MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE AND WORK FOR THE BETTERMENT OF MANKIND FOR PEACE,JOY AND HAPPINESS AND TO RID THE WORLD OF SUFFERING. THE ONE THING THAT WE ALL HAVE IN COMMON IS THAT WE MUST BREATHE IN & OUT. NOTHING IS PERMANENT. THERE IS AN EXPIRATION DATE FOR ALL OF US.
PEACE BE UNTO YOU. SALAH

Salah,

you are going in the wrong direction. Why? 1) I don't have a chain 2) I will not give you any information that you will use against me (I know you now) 3) If you don't care...then we are two who don't care 4) peace? did you vote for bush in 2004?

No I did not vote for Bush,did you vote for Bush?
Tell me what direction do you think I should be going?
I think that I am in step with the people of Cabo Verde.
The people that I follow are those who represent the majority.
Well that is ok if you won't say who you are, but hiding in the bush makes you not a true friend of the people of Cabo Verde. What are you afraid of?
It sounds very much like you are a member of the camorra,or that you just might be chameleon. Whatever the case might be, I can say to you that we the people of Cabo Verde will be victorious; that is for sure. listen to the songs of Laura.
Good Bye.
Manu Salah

I never put my feets in america, so I can't vote for bush.

I think that you are in step with yourself, that's already enough

PS: who is laura? Laura Pausini?

A friendly reminder:

My dear colleagues,

Let's not spend our time and energy in endless arguments with each other and back and forth personal fights but rather "Debate our Current Issues for a Better Tomorrow."

The main goal of this forum is to focus on ISSUES not personal attacks.

Thank you

back to the topic...

Why is the portuguese culture stronger in the capeverdean identity...it is almost the only mixed race culture for which in a mix of europe-africa, the european culture took the advantage against the african culture.

This makes us unique and special...

salah,

why do you take a sentence out of its context...

I didn't write "almost", I wrote "almost the only one", which emphasize the fact that cv is almost the only one mixed-race (europe/africa) in which the european culture end up the dominant culture. In the other mixed race countries of european and africans, the african culture is the dominant.

This makes capeverdeans special and unique.

you wrote in your message, talking about the slaves in capeverde (which didn't represent the majority of the population, it was a minority)

you wrote

"These Africans were forced to forget much of their African roots and to assimilate into the Roman Catholic life style. "

But these africans, were they capeverdeans or africans? According to my definition, a capeverdean is someone born in capeverde, what about you?

Most Cape Verdeans are Africans in genetic as well as cultural terms.

salah,

For sure a capeverdean is someone who is born and lived in capeverde, a capeverdean doesn't have to be a mixture of african and portuguese, but the fact is that the majority of capeverdeans are a mix of africans and portuguese...(I know you will again take sentences out of context)

Here comes north-americans ignorant afro-americans....Hannibal was never considered to be a black he is a mediteranean-white, a lot of mediteranean whites have a brown skin but that the way they are.
mediteranean whites and sub-saharan blacks are two different civilisations.