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Reflections on the CV "thug"

 
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Kakau



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reflections on the CV "thug" Reply with quote

As you all have noticed the "CV thug" is increasingly becoming a taxing specter of the CV community in New England. Media outlets, particularly the print ones, focus on this character and pretend that it is an emblematic figure of the CV community. But it is not. A more careful analysis as to what factors and circumstances produce the "CV thug" need to be examined. The reasons given and explained by the culturally incompetent and unperceptive reporters of Boston Globe, Herald, and other New England print media outlets are needless to say not comprehensive.

We, the members of the Cape Verdean community, know our community's elements, the good and the bad, better than any outside reporter. The "cv thug" is not an product of the Cape Verdean community but a product of Boston and by extension and definition the American glamorization of violence and its precarious inner city education system.

Types of "CV thugs"

The "cv thug" youth might come fresh off the boat from the old country, Cabo Verde, or he may have been born in Boston, New Bedford, Providence or anywhere where there are Cape Verdean enclaves. These hypothetical CV youths, especially the foreign born type, is likely not to be in-sink with the latest youth culture, particularly black youth culture's fashion and lingo, so he's often ridiculed for his "un-cool" clothes and broken english by other "home-grown" black and hispanic kids. He hates being ostracized for his foreign manners, so he uncritically yearns to equal and surpass even the coolest (read: 'hardest') kid in the block in manners, action and speech.

Enter the shootings

To a young impressionable CV mind, without strong family support, being "cool" is synonymous with approximating the dressing, speech and mannerisms of inner city black and Hispanic youths who more often than not devalue education and feminize intellectualism - a start contrast with the bona fide culture of CVs. Bona Fide CVs have a strong yearning and respect for education.

The more intelligent CV youths who have strong family support keep their eyes on the prize, that is, they know that their goal is to do well in school, go to college, graduate with honors and make a good living for their families. But nevertheless, as the pressure from the street youth culture is so strong, more often than not, a Cape Verdean youth from Boston is more likely to end up emulating the pathological elements and traits of his environment that glamourize violence, promiscuity and perceive going to jails and prison as a badge of honor and street credibility in the "hood". A case in point would be the ultra baggy and hanging pants' style, a style that emanate straight from prison.

In short, the CV youth becomes a reflection of his blithe poverty-ridden environment. Thus the hard-working ethos of the CV culture which highly values education and hard work becomes less important to the troubled CV youth than the values of the young black and Hispanic culture, otherwise known as Hip-Hop.


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St_antao



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the reasons for youth to behave like thugs

1. social pressure from media, tv, radio, cinema...

2.social class, the poors are more likely to be targeted by the "thugs"-violence-media

3. Origins, in america and elsewhere around the atlantic, those who have african origins are more likely to be poors.

4. Teenagers don't know who they are and are very influencable, so they are the main target.

5. Someone wins with this? (who?)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the CV "thug" Reply with quote

Kakau wrote:
...The "cv thug" youth might come fresh off the boat from the old country, cabo verde, or he may have been born in Boston, New Bedford or Providence or anywhere where there are Cape Verdean enclaves. These hypothetical CV youths, especially the foreign born type, is likely not to be in-sink with the latest youth culture, particularly black youth culture's fashion and lingo, so he's often ridiculed for his "un-cool" clothes and broken english by other "home-grown" black and hispanic kids. He hates being ostracized for his foreign manners, so he uncritically yearns to equal and surprass even the coolest (read: 'hardest') kid in the block in manners, action and speech ...

The hard-working ethos of the CV culture which highly values education and hard work becomes less important to the troubled CV youth than the values of the young black and hispanic culture, otherwise known as Hip Hop.


Kakau,

You made great points here that deserve serious consideration.

But first, '...the values of the young black and Hispanic culture, is not Hip Hop.' Some African Americans and Hispanics may be into hip pop but not all of them. We should be careful in making such strong generalizations.

On the other hand, your thoughts were clear in showing how some CV youths get lost in translation in transitioning into the American culture. Consequently, it's imperative that the Cape Verdean community create Cape Verdean Cultural Centers that Salah Mateus has been strongly advocating for in cities and towns where the need for intervention is urgent. Such centers would play key roles in teaching the positive aspects of the Cape Verdean culture, such as dedication, hard-working attitude, respect for parents and older folks, peace and harmony from the islands, and the desire to achieve excellence. These values are also highly estimated in the American culture. This is just one way we can blend the good of both culture and to pass CV rich heritage to the young generation. That way, those cltural centers can shadow the impact of the negative side of the hip pop culture that influences the behavior of some urban youths. In addition, it levels and strengthens our identity which helps fill the cultural gap we have between the different generations especially between teens, parents and seniors.

I guess there are plenty of organizations, agencies, and private citizens out there that would be willing to fund that initiative. The first step is for leaders of the Cape Verdean community to put together and present a detailed proposal to many potential funders. But, if that doesn't work out, the plan B would be to tap into the existing Cape Verdean agencies and introduce the Cape Verdean Cultural Center as a new branch/ department.


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St_antao



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you might all be blind, why do you think that this problem is linked to ethnicity or origins. This debate is irrelevent to capeverdean-ethnicity. The root of this problem is social class and "american bling-bling values".
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Kakau



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the CV "thug" Reply with quote

CV2k wrote:
Kakau wrote:
...The "cv thug" youth might come fresh off the boat from the old country, cabo verde, or he may have been born in Boston, New Bedford or Providence or anywhere where there are Cape Verdean enclaves. These hypothetical CV youths, especially the foreign born type, is likely not to be in-sink with the latest youth culture, particularly black youth culture's fashion and lingo, so he's often ridiculed for his "un-cool" clothes and broken english by other "home-grown" black and hispanic kids. He hates being ostracized for his foreign manners, so he uncritically yearns to equal and surprass even the coolest (read: 'hardest') kid in the block in manners, action and speech ...

The hard-working ethos of the CV culture which highly values education and hard work becomes less important to the troubled CV youth than the values of the young black and hispanic culture, otherwise known as Hip Hop.


Kakau,

You made great points here that deserve serious consideration.

But first, '...the values of the young black and Hispanic culture, is not Hip Hop.' Some African Americans and Hispanics may be into hip pop but not all of them. We should be careful in making such strong generalizations.


Very few Cape Verdeans and other ethnic black immigrants have access to the middle and upper middle class elements of African Americans and Hispanics who are not into Hip Hop. Usually, for an immigrant or a first or second generation American to get access to the African American middle class he or she would have to be from the same class. The Black American middle class is not an easily accessible group. I've been fortunate to have had contact and inter-reactions with them throughout the years.

Now, the fact that a CV youth hasn't had the same opportunity to see and inter-react with positive and inspiring African American figures is a problem. You see, because in the absence of reachable role models, the "American" influence that the CV youths get, be they American born or immigrant, come from the black and hispanic under-classes. These classes get their their inspirations from Hip Hop culture. The Hip Hop culture and inner city youth culture (with all its pathologies) are essentially one and the same.

With all of the above having been said, the critical thinking CV youth, would better refrain from emulating the aforementioned youths and culture, for the unaltered (bona fide) CV cultural ethos which value education and hard-work are by far surer paths to success.

All in all, it would be better for a CV youth to adhere to these suggestions while he's reading this post at home or in a computer lab, than it would be to for him to pounder how differently he could have done if he's inside a jail cell or inside a plane on route to being deported.
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St_antao



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maica,

you are missing some pieces of the puzzle. It is not just the young cv-americans who are influenced by the black and hispanic under-classes --the hip-hop culture. Almost 100% of the west european working class youths are influenced by the hip-hop culture. In france or in the united kingdom, young blacks, whites or arabs are influenced by hip-hop culture.

If you take into account what is happening in europe, your theories fall apart. This is a global phenomenon more linked to "social classes" than ethnicity. Some young cvs follow the "thug culture" because they are from the working-class and ethnicity is irrelevant in this phenomenon.

I don't like what you tell, especially "the absence of reachable role models". Do you think that whites can't be role models for the other communities. I have a lot of role models who are from a lot of different origins "Bill clinton, will smith,Bill gates, Gandi, Mandela, Zidane or Jordan"
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Kakau



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very aware that the Hip Hop cultural influence is global. But for the time being my analysis is about the American context only. Europe just seems so far and irrelavant to me right now.
Now, about your not liking the "reachable role models" comment, that just shows how little your grasp of racial politics is.
You see, Mr. portugues preto, in America, role models who don't resemble the people they wish to impact have very little effect. Their racial and/or cultural otherness more often than not renders them ineffective. That's why black and hispanic role models are extremely important, because they're "reachable".
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the american context is the same than the european, the fact is that the main reason for being influenced by the thug culture is "social-class" and not ethnicity.

The young cv who are influenced by the thug culture are influenced because they belong to the "working class", the only link with the origins, is that in america and elsewhere, if you have african origins them you are on at the bottom of the society...the "working class".

I guess that having bill gates as a role model is difficult because he is unreachable for 99% of the americans. I have bill gates has a role model and I have never seen him, meet him or tried to be in touch with him. That's the same for Mandela.
So why don't you want to have role models other than afro-americans and latinos...That's maybe the reason why there is this thug culture...you have to identify with whoever does things right
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