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Voz de Pais sobre Violência | Parent's Voice about Violence

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Voz de Pais sobre Violência | Parent's Voice about Violence Reply with quote



For English go to the bottom of this page, please.

Português: Voz de Pais sobre Violência na Comunidade

A melhor maneira de resolver um problema é ouvir directamente o lado da(s) pessoa(s) que está(ão) envolvida(s) na questão. Já se ouviu o ponto de vista das autoridades, da media, da comunidade e dos jovens sobre a problemática da violência na comunidade caboverdiana nos Estados Unidos. No entanto, raras vezes dá-se oportunidade aos pais - uma parte fundamental nesta questão - ou consegue-se reuní-los à volta da mesa para expressarem o seu ponto de vista, ouvir as suas preocupações e dificuldades que enfrentam na labuta do dia-a-dia e na educação dos seus filhos(as), e darem a sua contribuição em encontrar soluções viáveis.

É assim que pede-se aos pais que se sintam à vontade para escreverem as suas opiniões aqui e dizer francamente como a comunidade pode ajudá-los a afastar, prevenir e manter os seus filhos e filhas fora da violência que se vê nas nossas ruas.

Por favor, calque no Post Reply e escreva o seu comentário.

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English: Parent's Voice about Violence in the Community

The best way to solve a problem is to go to the roots of it and listen to the people that are direclty or indirectly involved in it. We've head the point of view of authorities, media, community, and youth about the violence in the Cape Verdean community in the United States. However, we seldom hear from the parents, a vital part on this issue, or hardly ever see them seating on community meetings, giving their input, expressing their concerns, talking about their daily struggles to provide and educate their kids, and presenting alternative ideas to reduce/solve the violence in our streets.

So, the parents are asked to write their opinions here about this issue and frankly tell the community how it can help them in keeping their sons and daughters away from street violence.

Please, click on Post Reply and write your comments.

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

u guys keep talking about parents, parents, parents. I know teenagers who's parents raised them the right way, made sure they get an education, provided everything they needed, showed them to respect others and give them as we capeverdeans say {educacon}. Some of these parents actualy do get down hard on their kids, but they just dont care. U see teenage girls out in the streets all hours of the night, they wanna hang with the thugs, they wanna ride around in their cars, they wanna smoke and drink, and then they get pregnant and not even know who's their childs father. I know damn well their parents tried hard not to let them be that way, but they had no control. Now with the guys it's the same thing, these ppl just dont care. Family is always there for them in good or bad time. It's like the parents are left hopeless. We cant blame these hard working parents all the time. Say they do go to the meetings, they do talk to the cops, and they turn their kids in when they commit a crime, it doesnt make a difference. Our youths are gona do what they want. No mother will send their kids out to kill, no mother sends their daughters out to be street walkers and sleep around, but yet they continue to do it. There needs to be something done by the state. I say we start with a curfew, when anyone under 18 is out after a certain time escort them home, and with a second or third offence lock them up. Sometimes u'll be suprised if u bring home a parents underage child and see what their reactions would be. I see so much going on in the Roxbury/Dorchester area my jaw just drops and all I can say is damn. I know these parents have no control over there kids, but if the city starts doing something about it and they realize it's no joke maybe we will see a change. We pay so much in taxes but yet get so little in return. Boston wants us to help how about u start helping us make our streets safer doing whatever it takes. I bet if lock up an under age girl for being out past curfew and let her sit in jail for a few days best believe u wont see her out for a while.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some valid points are being made here. The individual is mostly to blame for this problem. A curfew is a good idea. Tougher sentences would be good. The Stop Snitchin mentality has got to go. Areas where certain number of crimes occur can become no loitering zones for an extended period.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brothers and sisters, this has nothing to do with the young girls or boys hanging around. curfew does not solve violence or crime, people are protected with civil rights and you can not Violate people's rights.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To understand what’s going on in our community we have to go back to early 1990’s when violence became a daily thing in our community. Lots of us were raised by one parent, but we managed to go to school, after high school, College and after college Grad school or whatever. But that’s not the reality of all our brothers and sisters. Some of us grew up in a well organized and educated family and some of us grew up in a bad environment.

An environment where everyone wants to impersonate what they watch on TV like MTV or BET. Everybody will say that they already know that. But we don't realize how much effect it takes on the kids. They thinking the only way to make it in the world are to be a gangster and sell drugs. Kids these days don't have self-discipline. They want to make money the fast and easy way. They see how it is on TV and their environments... you either going to make it out by selling drugs, make it to the NBA or BECOME A RAPPER. This is not kids' fault; it's a Societal problem, in general. Matter of fact, our Cape Verdean community. It’s the environment they are brought up in. It all starts first at home! If a kid is not getting loved at home, getting advice to work hard, get an education to earn everything you get, it's going to be difficult for him/her to make it.

It is hard not to blame the parents, because everything start at home. Parents are responsible for their kids. Because you don’t do certain things, does not mean you can’t seat down with your child and explain how things work in the real world. How do you expect kids to learn their family values, culture, backgrounds, roots and etc, if their parents don’t explain those things to them? How they’re going to learn these things if parents are always working?

While the parents are working to provide for the family at home and not teaching their kids values in life, the kids go and learn from the guys chilling on the block. That's the values they get in their minds. Providing food and putting clothes on their backs do not make them men or women. It takes more dedication, courage, love, and care to make someone a man or a woman. Because your parents didn’t explain things to you does not mean you cannot explain to your kids because the reality you grew up in is different than the reality of these kids. In Cape Verde you don’t have these types of distractions and violence in the streets.

As a Grad Student (Criminology/crime scene investigation), I have studied crime and violence from almost every angle. And if we’re serious about solving violence in our community we have too look at different patterns, because as everyone knows putting more police officers out there is not the answer. Police Officers do a terrific job, but they don’t protect people from getting shot, stabbed, robbed, etc. instead of spending millions of dollars in policemen, why don’t we create more social institutions for kids to bound? Why don’t we create sport clubs for kids to play and leaning different types of sports? Why don’t we create more after school programs? Why don’t we create cultural institutions? One way to solve violence is to keep everybody busy. Just think about it for a minute! If you have things to do, you won’t have time to hang out in the streets and get in trouble… if you’re busy you don’t have time to go look for enemies…..

If we want to solve violence/crime, we have to look at different perspective. There are almost 200 hundreds liquor stores surrounding Dorchester and Roxbury, and the incomes rate per year in these two areas is under $50.000. Since we are so serious about solving crimes why don’t we take a look at alcohol in our neighborhood? Why not reduce the number of liquor stores in our community? I’m pretty sure alcohol has influence in violence. Everywhere kids turn there’re liquor stores or corner stores; what type of messages do you think the society are sending to this kids?


My fellow brothers and sisters, we have to be more realistic with ourselves. Since 2000 the City has been talking about putting more police officers in our streets, and now you cannot drive home from work without been followed by a police cruiser. Let me ask you: is it what you want in your community? The city also has been talking about build relationships with our community; it sounded good at first but then they placed cameras in our streets without consulting the community. What is that all about? Is it because they think we don’t have civil rights? Or is it because they don’t care about our rights that they can pretty much do whatever they want?

My brothers and sisters, we have to be more open minded and we have to make sure our community is organized because if we don’t organize our community we will not solve this problem and the city will never respect us and our rights. They will do the same thing they doing right now with the police officers, there are about 2500 law enforcements in Boston and only 0.08% are Cape Verdeans, and I assume some of the officers working in our community didn’t even know who we were, before he/she got the job. And they want me to think that the officers are there to protect me. How can you trust someone who does not even know anything about your culture, background, values, etc,etc? Man, my brothers and sisters there’s a double standards here and we have to be very careful, and the community leaders have to bring these issues to their attention, because until we do so they will continue to do the same thing. Because their kids are not being shot at, and their communities are organized and safer. We have to do the same for ours and we have to show these people that we’re pay attention to what they doing…

“A LUTA CONTINUA” CONTRA VIOLENCIA

Mateus “Muhammadah”


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

E' ku grande prazer kim sta volta pa és sito pam fazi parte di grupo non violença...
N' sta triste ku manera ki cabo-verdianos sta bai, ness caminho di violença ki sò sta fazi perdi vidas e distrui familias, sempri ka squeci ma dor é ka sò di familias di victimas, mas també di familias di acusados. Kuzé ki nu podi fazi pa djuda parà ku és violença?
Primero exemplo tem ki ser na seio familiar, ka briga, ka discute frente des, ka dexa criança sabe di nòs problema pes podi kria num ambienti suavé cheio di amor, nhos companhas pa scola sempre ki nhos podi, nhos tra um mm di nhos tempo nhos brinca ku nhos fidjus, nhos das importancia horas kes manifesta qualquer sintoma, nhos carecias, nhos contas storias, nhos bai pa cama kues djudas durmi, fumo, alcool, gestos, eròticos, mentira nunca frente des, nhos deixas brinca mais dento casa ki na rua ku outros amiguinhos, mas é importante ki um criança começa també dadu e mostrado ses responsabilidade des di piquinoti, studa, ordia ses jogos deta na hora pa labanta na hora, tudo keli si ka podu em pratica kriança di qualquer nivél social ta da violento, sobretudo pa criança ki ta vive fora di CV visto ki vida e sociadade em si é fermentado na tudo sentido, Ka nhos vicia mininos ku dinhero na mo, nhos bai pa scola sabi modi kes sta, nhos xinta kuel nhos studa, ku criança ka debi usadu nenhum acto di violença pamodi si nau horas kes dà homi és ta ser forte pa és mas perigoso pa os outros... Tudo keli si praticado na casa, na rua e na scola n' tem certeza ma és meninos horas kes começa kria da homis mes ka ta tem nada ku haver ku violença. Nhos ama nhos fidju mas di ki nhos propi, nhos fazes intedi converçando horas ki tem, horas ki ka tem e quando nhos prometes um cusa ka fadja! O' inton ka nhos prometi, nhos dimostras ma nhos é honestos pes podi tem exemplo... n' tem certeza ma nu ta tem menos mas mutu menos mesmo violentos, pos na actividade desportiva, musica etc. Futuro di cada cidadon sta na inicio di cè infancia ku tudu ki ta rodial até momento di assumi se risponsabilidades na adulto. tem ki sedu pratico i directo primero psicologo, assistente socia é proprio pais ou encaregado di educason,
Bom impenho, força màmà ku pàpà, é sempre um descanso mais tarde...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EroinaCV wrote:
E' ku grande prazer kim sta volta pa és sito pam fazi parte di grupo non violença...


Eroina,
ben vindu di novu a Voz di Povu!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: A SOLUÇÃO DA VIOLÊNCIA DEPENDE DE QUEM ? Reply with quote

Parece que de toda a falação sobre a violência respeitante à nossa Comunidade Cabo Verdeana aquí em Boston (ou em qualquer outro lugar), soa nos meus ouvidos como se '' estivéssimos '' buscando ''UM CULPADO''. Às vezes ''DÁ-SE O CHAPÉU'' à Polícia, de que não fazem nada, outras veses, aos pais, acusando-os de que trabalham demasiado e que não prestam bastante atenção adequada aos filhos, muitas veses se escuta dizer que a lei não deixa que os pais eduquem os filhos convenientemente, ou mesmo a defesa dos país de que, se '' põe uma mão'' nos filhos, estes já estão preparados para chamar a autoridade, pois, assim se lhes ensinam na escola, entre outras razões sem respostas ainda que NÃO convence a ninguém. Acho que tanto a sociedade, a família e todos os que foram citados acima, devemos assumir uma percentagem do que passa no nosso meio, independentemente de termos ou não que ver com o que se está passando, quem sabe por não sabermos ''UNIR-NOS'' e deixar de ser fraccionistas, sem tentar mostras que eu faço melhor do que tu, ou que eu sou '' LÍDER (?) , fazendo apenas acusações a quem muitas veses não sabe como manipular certas sitações que atravessa na vida dura que leva e que precisa de uma mão sua para que possa superar a suas dificuldades, ficando sempre a efectuar reuniões por aquí e por alí '' CUMPRINDO COM O SEU DEVER PROFISSIONAL (de emprego)- ( LÍDER ? ), mas que nunca sabe o nome de quem acusa e tão pouco conhece as penas do acusado. Muitas veses somos como um excelente médico que''TRATA'' um paciente da sua enfermidade, porque ele é capacitado, tem ''FERRAMENTAS'' e tecnologia, mas nunca pergunta ao doente: ''Como se encontra a sua família? conhecendo um pouco da vida pessoal e muitas veses sentimental das pessoas que o rodeiam). Podia falar de casos similares. O que quero dizer com isso é que não basta curar !

É possível que a minha linguagem parece indecifrável quanto ao assunto, mas quem entende bem, metade do que está escrito aquí, dá para entender. Não é nem ''piada e nem parábola''. Mas este espaço que está disponível aquí é esplêndido, diria até demais para expressar-se, mas é melhor que as pessoas que se sentem capacitadas e que tem conhecimento na matéria de ''PAZ'' e não na violência, consiga reunir um pouco de toda essa gente aquí expressa, para em conjunto falar da sua experiência e com isso tentar transmitir o positivo para a ''NÃO VIOLÊNCIA'', quem sabe que daí saia a lição de cada palavra dita e possamos todos dizer que, ''FINALMENTE ENCONTRAMOS A CHAVE DA PAZ PARA A COMUNIDADE CABO VERDEANA'' sem ter que culpar a NINGUÉM.
Agradeço a vossa amabilidade de ler essa humilde opinião de quem não sabe nada mais do que vocês sabem e que faria parte daqueles que teriam que usar um novo chapéu, mas que seja '' UM CHAPÉU COM ETIQUETA DE PAZ''.

VOSSO, Daniel Barbosa - Boston,12 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N' foi conviada pam partecipa na opinion sobre és assunto ki é di preocupason di tudo nòs i ai n' participa... Nha etiketa é muito pobri nha sabidoria é inferior a zero... N' entra pensando ma dja ultrapassado kel dà pa riba di odju mas pelos visto... N' ka kulpa ninguém, mesmo pamodi n' ka tem motivo, nha maneras di screbi é konxedu, horas kim kre kulpa ou qualquer kuza n' ta ser directo i n' ta txoma pa nome i apelido i depos é um assunto txeu delicado pa satabem fazi politica!
Nhos fika dreto txeu abraço
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject: Cape Verdeans Involved in Violence Reply with quote

Gostaria de deixar a minha opinião de muitos anos de experiencia trablhando com jovens involvidos na violência.
A violência na Comunidade dos Cabo Verdeanos já vem das nossa Ilhas, não é uma coisa nova ou estudada no Sociedade Norte Americana.
Isto já vem de lá, simplesmente nos tornamos sufisticados com a facilidade de encontrar os materiais precisadas para fazer a violência entre nós.
Espero que haverá muitos na nossa Comunidade que não estão de acordo com a minha opinião, e isto é aceitavel, mas a realidade do meu povo é que nunca aceitamos a realidade dos nossos problemas.
Tenho centenas de exemplos e casos concretos desta teoria.
Talvez, se um dia tivermos uma conferência a serio, poderia eu fazer esta presentação.
O homem ou a mulher só pode mudar dos seus custumes quando ela ou ela aceitar o custume. Por enquanto continuamos nesta negação que o nosso povo é uma MORABEZA, e não violentos, a tristeza, o sofrimento, a morte, a divisão, o orgulho, o egoismo e tudo que é mal irá dominar a nossa comunidade.
Infelizmente, a comunidade inteira é condenada e insultada nesta sociedade em que vivemos.
Faço votos que neste ano de 2007 a comunidade inteira tome esta missão de reconstruir o nosso nome de CABO VERDEANOS e trabalhar mais em unidade e amor para o BEM-ESTAR DE TODOS!
MAIS UMA VEZ! ESTOU FAZENDO UM SUMARIO CURTO E BREVE DA MINHA EXPERIENCIA DE MAIS DE 15 ANOS COM ESTA COMUNIDADE.
QUEM QUIZER ENTRAR EM CONTACTO COMIGO, E MEU EMAIL E:BISHOPTEIXEIRAOFSJC@GMAIL.COM

PAZ E BEM! ABRACO FRATERNAL E AMIGAVEL PARA TODOS!
UNIDOS VENCEREMOS ESTA BATALHA PARA O MELHOS DA NOSSA COMUNIDADE CV!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject: solutions? Reply with quote

My thought is everyone has a valid opinion. Cape Verdeans have high moral standards of bringing up their children. However, here in the US there are so many restrictions when a Cape Verdean parent teaches their little girls a religious way to be about sexual activities. By the way, that didn't completely prevent young girls from haveing sex in the past. But it sure did make them think twice.

Anyways when we Cape Verdeans want to instill morals into our kids but they go off to junior high and high school and even now grammar school they are told and taught to have sex. Meanwhile the ones who can afford for their children to go to private school and/or catholic schools, their children are brought up hearing the same morals at school as they hear at home giving those children a chance to not mess up, but take a good look at who can afford that!!!

Now matter what a perfect Cape Verdean parent does, the school system and society ruins the thinking of our childrens mind, they take total control from a parent and give it to the children, and in our culture that makes a parent discouraged and ultimately giving up and leaving the child to survive in the society says, system. CV people work hard all day thinking that in the schools their children are in good hands, huh just to find out too late that their children were being brainwashed and steered into the wrong direction while they worked hard. People, wake up! We need more systems throught the community willing to accomodate out cultural barrier or we are doomed.

The Spanish/latinos did it. So, why can't we?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of immigrating to America is adapting one's culture to the American culture. It is up to us immigrants to adapt and respect US laws, culture, and systems. That's one of the prices of immigration. It is not for the US to adapt to us.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Não vivo nos Estados Unidos. Vivo em Cabo Verde mas tento seguir com atenção os sucessos e as dificuldades das nossas comunidades nos Estados Unidos, já porque, como grande parte dos cabo-verdianos residentes no território nacional, tenho muitos familiares e amigos nos EUA.
Por isso, a violência que por vezes emerge nalgumas das nossas comunidades me afecta e me preocupa. Pouco posso fazer pra mudar esse estado de coisas à distância a não ser partilhar ideias e agir cá, a montante, para tentar neutralizar a reprodução do mal.

Penso que a primeira atitude deve ser de não apontar o dedo a ninguém porque até faltar-no-ia dedos para apontar pois trata-se de um problema complexo onde se deve falar de co-responsabilidade ou de responsabilidade partilhada.

A montabte, aqui em Cabo Verde, devemos começar a raciocinar de uma forma diferente: partir do princípio que a emigração para os Estados Unidos, mais que um fenómeno meramente económico de procura de emprego ou de melhoria do modo de vida, é uma questão cultural. Ou seja, emigrar para os Estados Unidos faz parte do imaginário e dos sonhos de muitas famílias cá. Muitas famílias cabo-verdianas modelam o seu imaginário e, logo, a sua forma de estar de planear o futuro em função desse desejo, dessa expectativa "natural" de partir para os EUA. É como se fosse um jogo de oril jogado em dois tabuleiros: um lá outro cá.

Se esse raciocínio for correcto, então as nossas autoridades devem passar a ter programas de preparação dos potenciais emigrantes por forma a facilitar a sua "integração" na sociedade que os acolhe e que é bem diferente da nossa. Isso pode ser feito numa acção complementar das Câmaras Municipais, do Instituto das Comunidades e de outros serviços relacionados com a intervenção social. Creio, também, que um programa desses poderia ser apoiado pelas autoridades americanas.

Claro que poder-se-á dizer: "mas, fazendo um programa desse tipo, não estaremos a incentivar o acelerar da emigração e a causar prejuizo ao país que também precisa dso seus recursos humanos mormente nesta fase em que se nota claramente uma descolagem económica?

A pergunta tem razão de ser. Mas é um falso problema. Por mais que Cabo Verde se desenvolva a emigração poderá dimunir mas não parará porque faz parte da forma de estar no Mundo do cabo-verdiano. Um Homem com um profundo amor à sua terra mas simultanemente um Homem do Mundo. Daí que um programa dessa natureza seria orientado específicamente para as famílias com sinais claros de desejo de emigrar o que, com uma metodologia apropriada, nunca será difícil de se recensear e com elas trabalhar.

Acho que a minha escrita já vai longa. Fico por aqui. Retomo mais tarde.
Votos de um bom ano a todos os meus patrícios nos EUA e que a Paz esteja com o povo das ilhas.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Capeverdeans.

This is my first time here. However, I have been talking to many Capeverdeans in this community about the violence between us, and I always hear the same excuse. One thing I know for sure: we do not act as we are supposed to, and our behavior is not helping us. I believe that if we get together as a community in a foreign country, we will come up with some helpfull ideas to help our youth in this complex environment. For this to happen we, the oldests need to find a common sense between us before we sit to discuss these problems in our community. We also should put aside the politics, and work with our community as Capeverdeans, like we are. Many things can be accomplished if we discuss our problems with an open mind. It is a reality; we as a community are suffering the consequences of not been together as one. We should start getting together and voice our concerns publicly.

Lets get together. I can be reached at 'clopes@solutionsplus202.org'

Carlos Fortes Lopes, BA/BS/MA
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bom primeru kuza n' kre fla nhos man ka kre inxina nada pa ninguem, n' kre sim prendi ku otrus y midjora kada dia ki passa, kela é unico kuza ki realmente n' kre.
Ao menos na keli nu sta tudo di acordu ma nu sta dibati pa um midjor pa CV, entritanto problema sobre violença na nos sociadade, sobretudu na jovéns ness caso nu tem ki djunta pa força barrera di proteson solidariu pa djuda mininus integra na meio undi kes ta vive, txeu bez ta dau raiba, ta frustau, ta tristau mas bu ta rifleti sobre, pensando ma si sociadade em geral contribui pa crescimento di és pessoas des di ses primeiro integrason na sociadade, hoje txeu vidas ka ta perdeda di forma ton stupido, é també imposivel flà ma violença podi caba, mas ao menos ta riduziba. E' um tristeza odja jovéns ta comprimeti ses futuro ku justiça y prison e pa victimas ki futuro es ka ta nem odja, é vida stragadu pa tudu dos lado, y txeu bez pessaos inocente ta paga... Maiorias caso di violença fisica, homicidio ki sta tem na nos sociadade nos ultimos anos jà é ka di preter intencional, mas é pre-meditado y voluntario, y txeu bez por tras sta organizasons mafiososa, keli é mas grave y é ness caso ki governo ta entra pamodi um cidadon seriu, normal, honesto podi tenta mas nada ka ta adianta, ka podi nem difendi nem fazi nada se nao outoridades compitentes... y jovens sata paga txeu conciquencia ku kela... Comprimento
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: responding to ICS Reply with quote

You are confused my friend, yes we do and we have adapted to the society says of the US would you say the same thing to latinos? would you? the get more accomodations than any other community or culture, Capeverdeans deserve to have some accomodation made to them especially in the citys where capeverdeans make up nore than 50% of that cities population, okay! I did not suggest that america has to adapt to capeverdeans, I was simply pointing out where the cultural miscommunication plays its part, in the same way you misinterpretted my comment, it is this hard headed thinking of people like you that holds all of us back, if you are capeverdean and you are that comfortable about, leaving everyone else behind because you speak and read and write the language than goo for you, but if I took you and made you live in Capeverde for a year or two, I believe you would not do very well, because of your thinking that as long as you adapt it is okay to leave behind you cultural moral, would you be able to forget you belief and what you are acustomed to completely because you have to adapt 100%, I will answer that for you "NO" so stop acting like its that simple, do something about it to help, or dont say anything about it the worse thing about our culture is everyone talks the talk and wants to bring up the best issue to complain and whine about, but nobody has it in them to act on it!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Change the Spanish on the TV. Start reading the Globe, The Herald. Learn English. Observe the ways of the land. "When in Rome do as the Romans." This is coming from someone who was born in CV. Kapixe?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:19 pm    Post subject: W e must make a Change. Sam Cook said so. Reply with quote

CV Socrates wrote:
To understand what’s going on in our community we have to go back to early 1990’s when violence became a daily thing in our community. Lots of us were raised by one parent, but we managed to go to school, after high school, College and after college Grad school or whatever. But that’s not the reality of all our brothers and sisters. Some of us grew up in a well organized and educated family and some of us grew up in a bad environment.

An environment where everyone wants to impersonate what they watch on TV like MTV or BET. Everybody will say that they already know that. But we don't realize how much effect it takes on the kids. They thinking the only way to make it in the world are to be a gangster and sell drugs. Kids these days don't have self-discipline. They want to make money the fast and easy way. They see how it is on TV and their environments... you either going to make it out by selling drugs, make it to the NBA or BECOME A RAPPER. This is not kids' fault; it's a Societal problem, in general. Matter of fact, our Cape Verdean community. It’s the environment they are brought up in. It all starts first at home! If a kid is not getting loved at home, getting advice to work hard, get an education to earn everything you get, it's going to be difficult for him/her to make it.

It is hard not to blame the parents, because everything start at home. Parents are responsible for their kids. Because you don’t do certain things, does not mean you can’t seat down with your child and explain how things work in the real world. How do you expect kids to learn their family values, culture, backgrounds, roots and etc, if their parents don’t explain those things to them? How they’re going to learn these things if parents are always working?

While the parents are working to provide for the family at home and not teaching their kids values in life, the kids go and learn from the guys chilling on the block. That's the values they get in their minds. Providing food and putting clothes on their backs do not make them men or women. It takes more dedication, courage, love, and care to make someone a man or a woman. Because your parents didn’t explain things to you does not mean you cannot explain to your kids because the reality you grew up in is different than the reality of these kids. In Cape Verde you don’t have these types of distractions and violence in the streets.

As a Grad Student (Criminology/crime scene investigation), I have studied crime and violence from almost every angle. And if we’re serious about solving violence in our community we have too look at different patterns, because as everyone knows putting more police officers out there is not the answer. Police Officers do a terrific job, but they don’t protect people from getting shot, stabbed, robbed, etc. instead of spending millions of dollars in policemen, why don’t we create more social institutions for kids to bound? Why don’t we create sport clubs for kids to play and leaning different types of sports? Why don’t we create more after school programs? Why don’t we create cultural institutions? One way to solve violence is to keep everybody busy. Just think about it for a minute! If you have things to do, you won’t have time to hang out in the streets and get in trouble… if you’re busy you don’t have time to go look for enemies…..

If we want to solve violence/crime, we have to look at different perspective. There are almost 200 hundreds liquor stores surrounding Dorchester and Roxbury, and the incomes rate per year in these two areas is under $50.000. Since we are so serious about solving crimes why don’t we take a look at alcohol in our neighborhood? Why not reduce the number of liquor stores in our community? I’m pretty sure alcohol has influence in violence. Everywhere kids turn there’re liquor stores or corner stores; what type of messages do you think the society are sending to this kids?


My fellow brothers and sisters, we have to be more realistic with ourselves. Since 2000 the City has been talking about putting more police officers in our streets, and now you cannot drive home from work without been followed by a police cruiser. Let me ask you: is it what you want in your community? The city also has been talking about build relationships with our community; it sounded good at first but then they placed cameras in our streets without consulting the community. What is that all about? Is it because they think we don’t have civil rights? Or is it because they don’t care about our rights that they can pretty much do whatever they want?

My brothers and sisters, we have to be more open minded and we have to make sure our community is organized because if we don’t organize our community we will not solve this problem and the city will never respect us and our rights. They will do the same thing they doing right now with the police officers, there are about 2500 law enforcements in Boston and only 0.08% are Cape Verdeans, and I assume some of the officers working in our community didn’t even know who we were, before he/she got the job. And they want me to think that the officers are there to protect me. How can you trust someone who does not even know anything about your culture, background, values, etc,etc? Man, my brothers and sisters there’s a double standards here and we have to be very careful, and the community leaders have to bring these issues to their attention, because until we do so they will continue to do the same thing. Because their kids are not being shot at, and their communities are organized and safer. We have to do the same for ours and we have to show these people that we’re pay attention to what they doing…

“A LUTA CONTINUA” CONTRA VIOLENCIA

Mateus “Muhammadah”



Mateus "Muhammadah" I am interested in what you had to say.

You also call your self (CV Sorates).

My name is Manu Salah Omowali Mateus and I have used other names so that folk will not confuse the two of us because my last name is also Mateus.

What you had to say has a lot of merit,and others have also said much that in fact shows that we are concerned about violence in our society and more specifically in the CV community at large.

I am a person born in the U.S. 74 years ago. I am second generation. I was raised by my grand parents from the Islands of Djha-Brava & Djha-Fogo. In my early years I grew up on a small farm in Wareham & Marion and at the age of 10 I moved to Boston to live with my mom who had gone to Boston as a domestic worker as amny CV'S were doing that in order to get away from the Cranberry Bogs. My father was in the second world war and never returned back to his home town of Wareham and I grew up in Boston Back Bay and Roxbury area with a single parent and my Aunt. Things were much different back then. Crime and drugs were not very common. But being poor was. We also for most part were very obedient to our parents and our elders. Back then parents had more control over their children without interference from the law.. That is enough about me but I want everyone to know that this is a very important matter and that I have some qualifications in this field of social life in the U.S.A.

First we all know that violence in the United States is part of its long history it is as common as apple pie.

Before I go any further on this subject,I ask you what do you think or what do all of you think needs to be done to overcome this madness in our society more important in the CV community which we are talking about. Certainly parents play a very important part,but for the new immigrants that have come to this country in the last 40 years they found violence as a way of life and its culture. Much different then what was in Cabo verde.

What did we have in Cabo verde that we find missing here in the USA?

The other way to ask the question is what is in the USA that you did not have in Cabo Verde? You don't have to answer these questions on this forum just think about it. This is not very simple it is very complex there are so many negative components of a very ill society.

I do not agree with a person who says when you are in Rome you must do what the Romans do.because we can see the barbaric uncivilized behavior on the streets and many times in the homes and at the schools.

The other question we can ask ourselves besides the parents and the school teachers who for most part are trying to resolve this problem what is it you think is missing from the equation of good moral behavior that is to say relating from right and wrong principals more at ethics of good conduct? Just think about this at this time no need to write about it on this forum.

What institutions do we have that teaches us about our relationship with society and with our culture in a new environment. Let us not forget we are talking about Caboverdianos at this time. We know that other folk have the same problem. But for now let us talk about the Caboverdiano problem which we know is and has become interwoven with other members of society who are not Caboverdianos.

I am sure that all of you know the saying that all that glitters is not gold.
But the glitter catches your eye and people go for it then they find out too late it is not real gold, but fools gold.

Some one or many of you have said we need a CV Cultural Center.
What we have observed over the years is that what is mistaken for a Cultural Center is a night Club for dancing and prancing drinking and getting high and being cool and what is said getting down with it. Checking out the sisters with there fine brown frames, mini skirts showing their voluptuous bodies,by the fullness and beauty of form.
Victoria Secret?
Now don't get me wrong I am not against the enjoyments of life it is the over indulgence and the misguided excessive immorality among some people who start off at a very early age. Some time what they pick up on the oustside or maybe at times from home.

No indeed not, I am not preaching because if I know anything all of our so called righteousnes is no more then a filthy rag. The other saying is he or she who be without sin cast the first stone. I am not casting stones I just painted a picture of what is. So how do you all think we should handle this dilemma we find ourselves in?
So that you will know; I have made many mistakes myself,so i8 am not a pot calling the kettle black.

To thine own self be true.
Manu Salah
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