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I just finished having this interesting debate about Jesus’ Christ ethnicity in my office. Surprisingly, most people here argues that he and his disciples had dark skin completion from being Middle Eastern Jews.



So then, I asked them: why have Christianity and church literature and publications painted him as a white man with blue eyes for all these centuries? I got a whole range of controversial answers that let me very intrigued. So, I decided to listen from the participants from this forum that seem to be well-educated in matters of race and history.



What's your share on that? Was Jesus black? Was Lord a bro? If yes, why does Christianity teaches the contrary?

To bring more insight to this debate, I googled this issue and found this article in:http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0302/blackjesus.html

Was Jesus Black?

Official Findings | Board of Deacons



The Landover Board of Deacons answered this question with a resounding “No” Monday night. As all church members know, every Monday, the board discusses one of the seemingly countless inexplicable theological quandaries presented by the Good Book. The board then presents its unequivocal findings to the men of the church so they can tell their wives what to say should the issue ever come up in casual conversation at the beauty parlor or mall. Last week, newly retained Pastor Stuart Mill instigated the most heated and angry debate among the board since the 1997 proposal by the late Deacon Darren Cravitz to condemn witch burnings was soundly defeated. Pastor Mill suggested the Lord Jesus Christ was actually a black man! After 15 minutes of angry debate, the Board unanimously rejected Mill’s claims. (Mill’s vote was not counted since he resigned from the church and left Freehold after his family’s home was destroyed by an electrical fire Tuesday night.) Pastor Deacon Fred ordered that the transcript of the meeting be posted here, so all churchgoers can see how outrageous such a thought is and avoid any repetition of the claim.


Transcript of Board of Deacons Meeting
Landover Baptist Church
Monday, February 11, 2002
7:05 p.m.

Deacon Fred: I asked Pastor Mill, the most recent addition to our clergy, to select and introduce an important unresolved Biblical issue so we can resolve it tonight and tell our members tomorrow what they are to believe. Pastor Mill . . .

Mill: Thank you, Deacon Fred. For many years, there has been a significant disagreement among Biblical scholars over Jesus Christ’s heritage, in particular, what race he was. After several years of research, I have come to the conclusion that . . .

Brother Harry: Excuse me, Pastor Mill, but you’re new to the church and may be under the misimpression that this meeting is an informal gathering of church executives to banter and tell jokes, much like Thursday night at the lodge. We’re here to discuss serious issues, and our membership is eager to learn what we’ve decided the Lord’s often indecipherable statements really mean this week. Now, please, introduce tonight’s real issue.

Mill: I am quite serious, Brother Harry. After spending hundreds of hours researching genealogies and Christ’s lineage, I have come to the conclusion that the Lord was, without question, a descendant of the Negroid race. The evidence is overwhelming that . . .

Deacon Crockett: Pastor, do you really expect us to believe that the Son of God, the most worthy man ever to walk the face of God’s green planet, was colored? What are you going to suggest next? That Osama bin Looney is the second coming? That Madonna is as pure as her namesake? That the Pope is really a Christian?

[Laughter.]

Mill: The evidence is conclusive. Most of the people mentioned in the Bible were of races of dark complexion. And the region that Jesus came from featured only people of the Negroid and Mongoloid races. There were no Caucasians in Egypt or the surrounding areas at the time.

Brother Harry: That simply shows those were the most depraved regions, with the people most in need of salvation. God couldn’t put Jesus in America because there wasn’t an America yet. Just a bunch of savages He hadn't sent us to kill yet who wouldn’t know the difference between an unclean animal and an unleavened loaf of bread. The bottom line is that God impregnated that woman with a boy in His own image – white, blue-eyed and brown-haired. Now, the rest of you have been around me long enough to know that I don't give a hoot heck about secular science, but don't tell me that the great Almighty – the most powerful being in the Universe -- has recessive genes! The fact that Jesus would have to spend his life wandering around people of much lesser heritage is just another of the trials His father gave Him – second only to being killed by those folks.

Mill: Nothing in the Bible says the Father was a white man or that His image would be as you described. Jesus is a descendant of Abraham, who came from the Samarian city of Ur of Chaldes, which was a black civilization, like many, if not most, of the societies described in the Bible.

Deacon Fred: So now you’re telling us Abraham and the other prophets were colored? I suppose you also think Noah was one of them and only found out about that ark because he was trying to steal its radio and lured all the animals onto the ark with a block of fatback. And I guess the apostles were the world’s first rap group. Don’t you think that whale would have spit out Jonah a lot sooner than three days?

[Laughter]

Mill: We know that Noah’s son, Ham, was a Negro. Jesus descended from a number of Ham’s ancestors, including Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, Naomi, Bathsheba and Jezebel.

Deacon Wilson: Now, I'll grant you that Jesus did not come from our sort – being born of a poor Jew. After all, who even knew there was such a thing?

[Laughter]

But the Lord Jesus on High did not descend from a pack of colored hookers, my friend!..

[Laughter]

Brother Harry: Mr. Mill, you’ve just disproved your own argument. Everyone here is familiar with the story in Genesis about the night Noah got drunk, stripped and passed out, and Ham went into the tent to stare at his father’s tally-whacker. Apparently, it was quite a sight to see! Noah condemned Ham’s descendants to be servants of mankind forever. The Son of God wasn’t a slave, and nothing in the Bible said He came from slaves.

Deacon Fred: I suppose Mr. Mill thinks that when Jesus washed the apostles’ feet, that was part of His plantation owner’s job description.

[Laughter]

Mill: The bottom line is that there is no description of Jesus’ ethnicity or physical appearance in the Bible. And no one has uncovered any drawings or paintings of Him made while He was alive. The first pictures of Jesus came hundreds of years after His death, by artisans commissioned by the white Roman Catholic Church.

Brother Harry: There are also no pictures of Jesus wearing a backwards baseball cap or sporting a brillo pad on his head. However, we do have pictures drawn by True Christians®, then known as Protestants, many years after the idol-worshipers started drawing Him. And even though these True Christians® didn’t live with Jesus, they were inspired by God to correctly sketch His likeness, much as King James was inspired by God to write the Bible in the way it was supposed to be written. We know all this by faith. Faith, sir, is something that supersedes all your lineages and chronologies and scientific research. If faith can move mountains – it can surely clean up an inferior bloodline in a snap! I move that so-called Pastor Mill’s resolution be rejected, that all church members be forbidden from repeating his ridiculous claim publicly and that Pastor Mill be suspended from duty without pay until the board can decide his fate.

Deacon Fred: We have three separate motions from Brother Harry that I think can be voted on as a block. Answer “Yay” if you support all three and “Nay” if you oppose any one. All in favor:

[Chorus of “Yay’s”]

Deacon Fred: All opposed?

Mill: Nay.

Deacon Fred: All three motions pass by majority vote. Mr. Mill, I'm sure you have a busy night ahead of you – you've probably thought of a hundred other ways to spit in the face of Jesus and slander His Holy name. So I will let you run along, but you are to meet me in my office first thing in the morning. Meeting adjourned.

I think there is a confusion in north-america and also in the north of europe. jesus had a darker skin than the whites from north-america and the north of europe.

It is very difficult, the concept that I will explain. It his difficult especially for north-americans, because in north america everyone who is darker than the whites is Black. This doesn't work outside the usa. Outside the usa the people who have dark skin are not labelled blacks. The blacks are the people who are negro-african origins. If you don't have negro-african origins then you don't belong to the black group.
There is more than white and black. the racial groups, for example in the south of europe-africa and middle east are white(people from europe+their diaspora), jews(ashkenazes+sepharades), arabs(middle east+north africa), africans (negro-africans+their diaspora), indians (who have black skins but are not "blacks"), extreme-oriental (chinese, japanese...).

Jesus is not a black because he doesn't have origins in the negro-african group...yes, whatever his color of skin, if jesus doesn't have origins in the negro-african group then he is not a black.

I am convinced, maybe for cultural reasons that the color of skin is not related to a racial group. the people who have a dark skin dont belong all to the same racial group. Someone from sub-saharan africa and someone from india are not in the same racial group although they have the same color of skin. The same for europeans and chinese who have similar color of skin but are two different races.

From this. yes, I can say that for me jesus is not black, although his color of skin was dark, he was what is called a "mediteranean". For sure, jesus was not "white" as he is usually pictured, he didn't look like the people from north-europe. Jesus belong to the "mediteranean" race.

The following are biblical descriptions of Jesus' physical appearance, one from the book of revelations, and another one from the book of Daniel. In both books, Jesus' skin is described as being similar to that of burned polished brass. Now, brass in case you are not aware, is like the color of a dark tan. And his hair is described as looking similar to wool. What race has hair that resembles wool? Hint: The word "nappy" and "wooly" are one and the same to many people.

Book of revelations

Quote:

His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters." (Rev. 1:14 and 1:15)

See the similar description again on the book of Daniel

Quote:

"His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude." (Daniel 10:6)

Now that you have the biblical description of Jesus apperance for yourself you make the decision whether he was black or not?

One thing sure. Jesus was not Swedish or Chinese or even Native American. This may help narrow things down. Anyway, he WAS a Middle Eastern Aramaic speaker who was Jewish.

Richard LOBBAN

CV2K,

jesus had a dark complexion for sure, but he was a middle eastern, mediteranean, he had the same physical appearance than "bin laden". If you think that bin laden is black, then this explains why you think that jesus was black. I am from france and in france people who are dark skinned like bin-laden or the average jew from middle east are not blacks but mediteranean.

For sure all the dark skin human beings are not black, just think to the similarity on the skin of indians and sub-saharan african, they have the same color of skin but not the same race.
Jesus had a dark skin, and like "bin laden", jesus is not a black but a mediteranean.

I'm not saying that the main reason that makes Jesus a black man is the skin color. I'm talking about his lineage as Mill explained:

"Mill: The evidence is conclusive. Most of the people mentioned in the Bible were of races of dark complexion. And the region that Jesus came from featured only people of the Negroid and Mongoloid races. There were no Caucasians in Egypt or the surrounding areas at the time.
...
Mill: Nothing in the Bible says the Father was a white man or that His image would be as you described. Jesus is a descendant of Abraham, who came from the Samarian city of Ur of Chaldes, which was a black civilization, like many, if not most, of the societies described in the Bible.
...
Mill: We know that Noah’s son, Ham, was a Negro. Jesus descended from a number of Ham’s ancestors, including Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, Naomi, Bathsheba and Jezebel."

And this is what I want you to respond. You are good in responding just what's better for your convinience and ignore the main points. And because of this, it's hard for people to accept your arguments as honest and genuine. They just sounds like desperate attempts to defend a cause or belief you have not matter what.

If that's the true lineage of Jesus, he is for sure a black man from the negroid lineage.

First question, who wrote the bible?...well I think it is the romans, when the made christianity, the empire's religion.

Second question, how can you find in the bible words like "caucasian" and "mongoloid". These words didn't have any meaning 2000years ago.

Third question, Why? How it is possible that in an area where almost 100% of the population looks middle eastern, why jesus had to be different from the others and look like a negroid and not look like the other jews?

You see your willing for jesus to be a negroid comes more from your mind than reality...I am convinced that jesus looked (physically) very similar to "bin laden", like the other middle easter because there is no reason for not.

I' m not wishing Jesus is black. I just think that if he in fact is a black man, he should represented as such.

I'm also questioning and confronting the facts: focussing especifically on his lineage, is or isn't he black? The debate should stay around this issue.

You're denying that evidence without presenting valid and strong counter-arguments to support your points.

By the way, the Bible weren't written by Romans, except for few of its books. It was written by Hebrews and Jews some of which Jesus' desciples whose anchestry some argue to be from the African lineage.

First thing, you have to know that although egypt is in africa, it was not populated by negroids but by arabs and berbers. So if jesus had egyptian origins it didn't mean that he had negroid origins.

Second thing, jesus is the child of mary and doesn't have a father. God created jesus to be the "messia", which makes jesus paternal(father) lineage more problematic to determine, don't you think?

Third thing, yes, the bible was written by the romans. Otherwise how can you explain the fact that although Ponce Pilate is the one that orders to kill jesus and also that jesus is killed by roman soldiers. How do you explain that in the bible it is the innocent jews who are accused to be responsible of the death of jesus?

I am convinced that jesus was a middle eastern and that he looked like bin-laden and not to nelson mandela.

CV2K,

I am not god, I don't know for sure what are the origins of jesus because I didn't met him. I am much more qualified to talk about cape-verdean identity or cape-verdean history because it is the history of my familly.

Then, if you don't beleive that jesus was conceived by god and didn't have father, tell me who was jesus father? Do you have any information on jesus father? Then, if you don't have information on jesus father, you mean that if jesus was black then having only information on mary do you think that mary was black and not middle eastern?

It is my turn to ask questions. Do you think that if jesus had a dark skin then he is black(negroid)?I hope you have a solid answer for this question. I think that there is a lot of middle eastern people who have dark skin and wholly hairs (like bin laden) and are not black (negroid).

st_antao, what is the only race of mankind that has hair like wool?

Quote:

His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters." (Rev. 1:14 and 1:15)

In other words, compare the first woman's hair with that of the second one and then constrast their respective hair textures to the sheep wool and see which one resembles it the most.

hairs like wool? Well, for me arabs and jews from middle east and north africa and also mixed race people have hairs like wool

the black sub-saharan african hair type, doesn't look like wool, it has the same structure than the carpets.

That's how I see it

But this doesn't tell about jesus dark skin. Bin laden has hairs like wool and he is middle eastern just like jesus. What about mary?

It's really simple. All you have to do read books of Daniel and Revelations, and then compare his descriptions to the races of mankind - that is, among the races of mankind, which one has the darkest skin that resembles burned brass.

by the way, st_antao, bin laden's father was a very dark skinned, almost jet black, "arab" from Sudan. His mother was from Yeman. Go figure why he looks the way he does.

CV2K,

you talk about the son of noeh, how can noeh's son be a negroid if no one of its parents is negroid. When you tell that noeh's son is a negroid, the you also imply that noeh or his wife were negroids. Is it what you mean.
Then comes, some common sense, CV2K, really, if you have someone in your lineage who was negroid 500 years ago and the other persons in your lineage are all middle eastern, you will look like a middle eastern and not a negroid.
If you claim that jesus was a negroid, then you imply also that one of his parents is negroid...do you think that mary was negroid?

kakau

races?which one has the darkest skin that resembles burned brass? well, sub-saharan africans and indians have very dark skin...so I can't reply to your question because I am indecided?

"bin laden's father was a very dark skinned, almost get black", here comes again the central point of this debate. Do you think that someone who has a dark skin is a black? Do you think that indians and black-africans belong to the same race on the basis of their color of skin?

It is known that although Sudan, and mauritania are in the arab league, they are black-africans. There is also black-african jews in ethiopia.

The question his now, Do you think that it is enough to have a drop of black-african blood to be a black...If yes, How will you convice the arabs that they are blacks?

What I think is that you are a black who's not confortable with your blackness and refuses to accept the fact that the son of the most high has physical traits that only negroids have - that is, skin like burned brass and hair like sheeps wool. And for your information, a huge percentage of Indians are direct descendants of Negroid Africans. The lighter ones are products of native black indians and the anciant aryans. See pictures of original indians for yourself:

A panya indian woman and a kanikar indian man



A smiling siddy indian girl



A tableaux of an ancient merchant in India - note the negroid similarity




So, as you can see, the negroid influence in india is obvious. For more information google the following: The African presence in India: A photo essay.

A great page about the history of the African people:

THE GLOBAL AFRICAN PRESENCE-http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html

PINA,

you are somehow confused, if you want just go to convince 1 billion indians that they are african and that they have the same background...you will not be back before several years

The same with the 300 million arabs...you have a lot of work. I have been the witness of reciprocal racism between arabs and blacks...who really don't think that they belong to the same racial group...

go now...you have a lot to do

Na paz di Dios, nha irmun.

As this debate unveils, it becomes clear that Jesus was not Caucasian and didn't have blue eyes as painted in most if not all Christian books. Also, most of the biblical evidence presented up to now here, goes along the argument that he came from African lineage and is likely a bro in his own kind of way.

Now the big mystery to be solved is:

Why does Christianity insist on painting Jesus as a white man with European traits?

What message do churches want to pass to the common people? Is there a hidden propaganda behind the representation of the greatest man who has ever live on earth as a European Caucasian individual?

CV2K,

For sure jesus was not a white-caucasian (although caucasia is closer to israel than england). Jesus was not blonde with blue eyes. He is more likelly to be a mediteranean and looked like the average greek or portuguese...I really think that he migth had a dark skin and woolly hairs and look like "Bin Laden" for example.

The reason why the white-caucasians pictured jesus blonde and blue-eye is the same that your reason to try to picture him as a negro.

Ten un kusa ki nos tudu nu sabi...ma Jesus e ka branku.
pergunta n'tom e pamodi ki igreja katolika ta pintal di branku?
pmd ki igreja katolika ta fla ma jesus ka ten familia? Pmd ki igreja katolika tem munti segredu? y mas...
Igreja katolika dja ten mas di 200 anus ki sta konta mundu mintira, es ka kre pa nu sabi kal ke "real"objetivu. ke toma poder y controla mundo.

Si jesus e ka branku, e ka asiatiku, el e ku z ntom. Claro ke Afrikanu.

Kriason,

jesus was not an african. There is no reason for him to be african, he probably looked like the other middle eastern people living in israel. dark curly/wooly hair, dark skin, brown eyes.

It is all about having a role model. Look at the psychological meaning this has on imposing white superiority.

Jesus is good = he is white
Jesus is almighty= he is white
Jesus can endure pain, challenger, brave = he is white
Jesus can save you = he is white

Do you think they would accept jesus as a black person even if was? No way!!

Who will you choose for your boss? White man.

If Jesus was declared black (I am not saying yet he was black / or not white, but certainly lean towards that suggestion,) white people would never use religion and priests in their effort to conquer other people.


So who knows Jesus were really black.

Catholicism was the model that white people used to abuse women, non-white people, non=Christian people, and children.

Man have done a lot of progress on these issues throughout the centuries. We only need to tell St Antao to not stop us from proceeding. We will all benefit in the end, including the white man. Knowledge is power.

Cabrala