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Manu Salah · Guest

Dear Beloved people,

I'm deeply concerned about this dilemma about how one looks in terms of the color of your skin.

This attitude comes from the racist position, which is wrong and sinful
if I can use that term. Every one should feel good about their complexsion, dark, light or inbetween. Please, understand that this very
asinine, ridiculous, preposterous idea of Black and White.

Something created under the false illusion of one being superior and the other inferior.

All of you whether you are from a mixed marriage or whatever, should be proud of who you are as a person regardless of your skin complexion.

Please get over that stupid thought process.

Cabo Verde is a place made up of people from Africa, India and those from Europe.

Portugal who enslaved and inhabited those Islands and a new breed of people came about by that process. If your father is Portuguese and your mother was in Cabo verde from what ever tribe or clan of African or India or some other place, that was part of that miscegenation ordeal.
Like it or not, that is what it is, so what. Here we are.

The reality is that for some reason or another, Europeans had the need to feed their ego for the lack of self-esteem to say that light skin people are better then dark skin people. It was Africa that gave birth to civilization.
Europe became powerful and Africa went under; that is an oversimpification I know, but study the history.

In the world of recent history of Union South Africa and the United States of America racism and prejudice was at its worst. For anybody to always want to write about one being better then the other is a sickness of the mind and he or she who continues on this path has not reached the stage of what Dr. Martin Luther King has left as his legacy. Judge not by the color of skin but by the character.

African Americans have suffered from the cruel torture of slavery, racism, Jim Crow, prejudice and discrimination, miscegenation for 400 years and were also told that white is superior and black inferior. To turn that ugly tied of racism they came up with Black Power to off set White Power.
Why not just human power to make a better world?
History always show Africans as a negative and Europeans (Anglo) as a postive.

So there it is still fighting racism. Educate your children to like good people
not to make decisions based on someones color.

Be whatever you want to be, but just be good, be kind to all.
Let us work for peace and harmony.
Cabo Verde is a kaleidoscope of humanity.

It is written there is a Balm to heal a sick soul.

There is is Balm in Gilead to heal a sick soul. A great song.
Cabo Verde is the new Gilead there you will find your Balm.

Can you imagine if every one was just one color how dull that would be?
Love to all malice towards none.

Remember why this was started in the first place: to divide people and to get them to do precisely what many are doing. History will show and it does teach us by the scientist of creation of mankind; that Africa is the birth place of all humanity. Every day scientist anthropologist keep finding ancient ruins to make that point. Egyptologist just as a point of reference.
Why are you ashamed to claim that Africa gave birth to all of us?
Ask yourself that question.

Today, in this very moment, how about the women who have babies from different men from different nationalities? one child very light the other very dark? is one of those children any better then the next because of the color of their skin.
Both children say mommy I love you.
This woman who has this child, does she love one less?

For me, I was born in the USA and I am aslo of mixed parents from Cabo Verde from the Island of Djar-Fogo and Dja-Brava. I love the fact that I am a Caboverdiano that is my choice. I love Cabo Verde, I love Portugal, I love Africa, I love this planet mother earth.

Manu Salah · Guest

A White C.V. wrote:

I am first generation of my family born in this country. My father is portuguese and was born in Almada. My mother, was born in Brava Cape Verde and came here in the late 50's. My mother from Brava, is white. My aunts, uncles, cousins who also came here from Cape Verde, are also white. I am white. Both my children are white. My son was born blonde hair blue eyes. My daughter like me is brown hair with brown eyes but just as white. I cant understand why it is such taboo to say one is white and from cape verde as if whites never existed there. My daughter experienced this ignorance first hand in dancing school when cshe was given a bracelet symbolising she was cape verdean and was told by a little black that she could not be cape verdean because she is not black. This is worng! Like any where else in the world there are white people and black people. mi e branco e tambe e creolo. bu ka ta cardita? I suggest you read a book written by my cousin Americo Araujo called Little known which clearly shows pictures of white people that clearly existed in cape verde but some of you want to deny that. Erase it for all time and thats a shame.

Why must you say your white can't you just be Caboverdean or Portuguese with out making reference to your color.
Why must a person say I am black.

We can look at you and see what your color is,sometimeI see light skin people there are not white and sometime I see dark skin people they are not black. What is your nationality? Black or White is not a nationality.

The only reason why people do this is because they have been brainwashed,to speak in those terms.
Does it make you feel better to say white or black, that is just playing into the hands of the racist philosophy.

I have been to Cabo verde several times I have never heard a Caboverdinao say I am white or black or brown,they say I am caboverdiano. I have been to Portugal and they never say I am black or white or brown,they say I am Portuguese. This is true about all the countries I have been. Only two countries use these terms the United States of America and the Union of South Africa;both very racist countries.

It is only here in the USA that you find it necessary to say this. When you go to Portugal or to Cabo verde do you go around saying I am a white Capeverdean,people will laugh at you or think you crazy.

Your allowed to say anything you want you can be a green Caboverdean if you wish. Come on, does not all of this sound silly to you unless you think your better because the color of your skin.
You are a good person and we love you and it has nothing to do with the color of your skin or the color of your eyes.
In our eyes you are just a beautiful person a wonderful human being.

The reason we think it is wrong to deal with the color concept is because it perpetuates racism,saying that white is better then black or that black is better then white. Your father is Portuguses your mother is from Brava Cabo Verde so you are a Portuguese Caboverdiana ancestry.

Now make up your mind you want to be from Portugal or Cabo Verde or you can be from both places.

Who ever told your daughter that; does not undertsand the facts about
racist propaganda and is also caught up it the racist game. We need to be educated on this subject of racism. To educate others.

Racist United States has forced you to take a position based on there racist ideology;of there color code system.White is good and Black is evil.
So you want to be good according to those standards I understand the dilemma in which racism has put you in but I hope you will over come that gabbage with enlightenment.

We deny nothing in Cabo verde, Americo Araujo book is only because of the racsim here in the USA, him wanting to be European to be better then African Americans and his experience in the USA racist system. He has bought into the white racist philosophy.Perhaps he has grown up and he can understand better about racism on both sides.

I will suggest that you get the Book By Vasco R.A. Pires
'A FRACTION OF ME' (PROSE AND POETRY FOR THE NEW CENTURY)

You did say something that was very correct(IGNORANCE).
Ignorance on the part of those who foster the idea of black and white.

By the way both Almada and Brava are beautiful.
Love to all malice towards none.

bimbirim · Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 4

To the white cv,

You seem to be too offended with the "little black" as you referred to the child who thought wrong about your daughter "The white girl".

You check your ego!

Is it not because you still think that balck capeverdean is inferior to white capeverdean and with that you and your cousin Americo Araujo want to divide capeverdeans between black, mulato, and white?

There is no such thing in Cabo Verde anymore. This time is gone! What make you think that a white person who was born in Cape verde is Portuguese and not capeverdean, because of the blood line. Do you consider your mother, born in Cabo Verde according to you, Portuguese or capeverdean?

If your answer is Portuguese, that is the same as saying that all Capeverdeans are Portuguese or Africans. By definition any Capeverdean has a blood line in Europe, Africa, or else.

If it is not because you want that distinction to feed your ego of superiority, doesn't it suffice that you are a caperdean if you're capeverdean or a Portuguese if you're Portuguese, no matter what color you are?

Who cares if you are white, black, or else? I am a capeverdean.

white vc · Guest

Thanks for the reply and the great debate. See the problem is just what the gentleman says in todays standard times that some people want erase or change history when it comes to cape verde and the portuguese and who lived there. The problem is not that I am being called black or that i feel I am inferior or anything to do with my ego. The problme for me was being told by people that I am something that I am not. And growing up I was always proud to say I was cape verdean and the prompt response was that I was black and that is wrong. Not only with this but with now some say that portuguese people are hispanic. Since when? Again being labeled as something that I am not. My daughter poor thing didnt initiate any of that. She was seen wearing a cape verdean bracelet and was told why you wearing that your not cape verdean and she said that she was and the response was you cant be your not black. And this is what frustrated my cousin enough to write his book.

Kakau · Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 324

white vc wrote:

Thanks for the reply and the great debate. See the problem is just what the gentleman says in todays standard times that some people want erase or change history when it comes to cape verde and the portuguese and who lived there. The problem is not that I am being called black or that i feel I am inferior or anything to do with my ego. The problme for me was being told by people that I am something that I am not. And growing up I was always proud to say I was cape verdean and the prompt response was that I was black and that is wrong. Not only with this but with now some say that portuguese people are hispanic. Since when? Again being labeled as something that I am not. My daughter poor thing didnt initiate any of that. She was seen wearing a cape verdean bracelet and was told why you wearing that your not cape verdean and she said that she was and the response was you cant be your not black. And this is what frustrated my cousin enough to write his book.

Look, if you were really white as you so desperately want people to believe, no one would have told you that you are black or tried to convince you to say that you are hispanic. The fact is, you are Black. You are a black who's obviously not comfortable with his blackness. In fact, even if you were one hundred percent portuguse, you would still not be considered white. You know why, the portuguese have black blood in them. If you doubt me, go to your library, and read about the sexual exploits of the MOORS while they occupied Portugal and Spain and parts of Italy for close to one thousand years.

Alberto Pina · Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 32

Here is the article by Zack Souza, a "Cape Verdean," published on Standard Times' opinio section today:

YOUR VIEW: Many Cape Verdeans were Portuguese

"Joseph "Zack" Souza Dr. Souza is a retired psychologist who lives in Dartmouth.

Alberto Pina's letter on the Oct. 3 Standard-Times Opinion page is on a subject that has become a 10-headed monster that is refusing to die. Days have been spent by numerous people on the Cape Verdean Forum and at conferences discussing this, and there has never been a consensus.

When I read Mr. Pina's letter, I was left speechless until I noticed my aggravation becoming unbearable. If he thinks he is speaking for the Cape Verdean community, he is very much mistaken. He does not speak for me or the members of my family.

I do not feel that The Standard-Times owes an apology to anyone for not printing what Mr. Pina would like to see as the truth. No free press should have to lower its head for expressing an opinion, be it theirs or a reader's.

I was born in the Cape Verde Islands and immigrated with my parents to this country in 1948. How could I have made the mistake of thinking that I was Portuguese? Perhaps it was because the Republic of the Cape Verde did not exist at that time, and my Portuguese passport stated that I was a citizen of Portugal. Are we now going to rewrite history by negating the fact that we were Portuguese? This is not a question of race, but one of nationality. When I went to live in Portugal in 1983, I was not considered Cape Verdean or Portuguese. I was an American because I had become a naturalized American citizen.

Please, let's not get on the subject of slavery. That ended in the mid-19th century. There is not one Cape Verdean alive who knows slavery. If Cape Verdeans were enslaved by the Portuguese, why were so many allowed to immigrate, or does Mr. Pina think that they escaped clandestinely? My parents and I did not have to buy our freedom in order to immigrate.
For political reasons, some Cape Verdeans would like to eradicate all traces of Portugal from Cape Verde. This they cannot do because history cannot be changed to suit those who wish to change it. Street names in the islands were changed from those of Portuguese personages to African ones. Now we begin to see them changed back to Portuguese names. There is even a movement to change spelling rules by introducing the use of certain letters that are not used in the Portuguese language, such as substituting K for C. If the proponents have their way, we will soon be writing Kabo Verde instead of Cabo Verde. Some would like the Crioulo dialect (or is it Krioulo) to substitute for Portuguese as the official language. The question is, the Crioulo from which island would they use? They have nine choices.

The discussion could go on and on, and never arrive at a logical conclusion. This is because so much effort is being spent on negating and changing what is for what is politically correct in the minds of some people.

When we speak of black islanders we can clearly see that other people make mistakes to this end also. I know many Cape Verdeans who are not black. They came from the far corners of the world. I have met Cape Verdeans from Russia, Norway, Madagascar and, believe it or not, from Mongolia. Were they born in the islands? Certainly not, but they are Cape Verdeans nevertheless, because they are citizens of the Republic of Cape Verde.

Very few, if any, native Cape Verdeans can say that they do not have Portuguese blood running in their veins. All those born prior to June 1975 were Portuguese, and there is definitely nothing disgraceful about that. Let us take pride in what we were, what we have become, and what we can be in years to come. "

Source: southcoasttoday.com/daily/10-06/10-06-06/03opinion.htm

Alberto Pina · Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 32

The topic Should Cape Verdeans be portrayed as Portuguese "black islanders"? I wrote, is also being debated at the Standard Times' online forum under the section:

- New Bedford: 'http://www.southcoastresponse.com/board/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=267737&an=0&page=0#267737'

and

-Fall River: 'http://www.southcoastresponse.com/board/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=25'

It's very interesting to read the point of views of outsiders on this issue. Please, read them as they will bring more insights to this debate.

Alberto Pina · Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 32

Zack Souza wrote:

... Please, let's not get on the subject of slavery. That ended in the mid-19th century. There is not one Cape Verdean alive who knows slavery. If Cape Verdeans were enslaved by the Portuguese, why were so many allowed to immigrate, or does Mr. Pina think that they escaped clandestinely? My parents and I did not have to buy our freedom in order to immigrate.
For political reasons, some Cape Verdeans would like to eradicate all traces of Portugal from Cape Verde. This they cannot do because history cannot be changed to suit those who wish to change it.

...The discussion could go on and on, and never arrive at a logical conclusion. This is because so much effort is being spent on negating and changing what is for what is politically correct in the minds of some people..."

Source: southcoasttoday.com/daily/10-06/10-06-06/03opinion.htm

"Cape Vedeans and Portuguese: counsins but not twin sisters"

Dear Mr. Souza,

I appreciate you response to this issue that indeed should be discussed openly so our people here in US in particular the young generation know who they are and be proud of it.

First all of, my purpose in writing that article was to help clarify the misconception Standard Times fed and that seem to be in the minds of some Cape Verdeans in America especially those that came here before the independence or look alike the Portuguese people.

Now, I want to point out 2 things:

1. When you said, "... let's not get on the subject of slavery. That ended in the mid-19th century. There is not one Cape Verdean alive who knows slavery. If Cape Verdeans were enslaved by the Portuguese, why were so many allowed to immigrate...”, are you implying that there was never Portuguese slavery in Cape Verde? Please respond this question to me. I look forward to read your explanation to that.

If that's what you are trying imply in your article, you may be under this two circumstances: one, you are denying it because you and or your ancestors belonged to the dominant group that enslaved those Cape Verdeans from African origin and feel so ashamed of it that they decided to live on the denial instead of admitting the reality of that cruelty and say, "I'm sorry, what we did a shameful thing and we apologize to the Cape Verdean people." Or you may not be familiar with or know much about the history of European slavery in Africa. Just to give a little of Slavery 101, the Portuguese people were the first ones to introduce the contemporary European slavery in Africa. And if you want to learn more, specifically about Portuguese slavery in Cape Verde, go to UMass Dartmouth library and check for the Cape Verdean section or ask Mr. Salah Mateus for some bibliography. I'm sure he can be very helpful.

2. Besides this sad part of our history - which should not be ignored; nor the fact that Cape Verdeans are partially descendants of Portuguese, Africans, Italians, Jews, Arabs, etc -, I personally am well aware of the Portuguese side of Cape Verdeans - studied it for years and years in Cape Verde on books written in Portugal by Portuguese scholars - and don't have any hard feelings towards Portuguese. One should learn to forgive – not forget - and move on instead of getting stuck to the adversities and bad feelings from the past.
And that has happened on my case. I like and respect the Portuguese People and have and uncountable number – because I don’t sit and keep track - of friends that are Portuguese. Just to clear this notion in your mind that I'm against Portuguese just because I demanded that our history and identity be told as it is - not only a part of it -, I married a Portuguese American and I am proud of it - this is the only time I'm bringing my personal life into this debate and will not go there again. To me, she does not have to be Cape Verdean, Chinese, American or Portuguese, black, yellow, brown or white to be my wife... she just has to be a good woman; and God bless, she's a damn good one! In addition, I have a great time and enjoy being with her Portuguese family in Fall River because they are good people who don’t look at one's color to decide how they are going to perceive or treat him/her. All this to say, that I don't see people by the color of their skin, but I care about their character, their being, their nature; in fact, all these qualities demand an understanding of human nature that goes beyond the boundaries of skin color or geographic frontiers.

So, don't come with the old baloney that "[this] discussion could go on and on and never arrive at a logical conclusion ... because so much effort is being spent on negating and changing what is for what is politically correct in the minds of some people...." No one is trying to deny and change history. You either didn't read my whole oginal article or refuse to see what I made this observation:

"In reality, Cape Verdeans, the people of or from the origin of the former Portuguese colony in West Africa, Cape Verde, have a lot of common in terms of identity and culture with the Portuguese people. In fact, from the food they eat to the way they dress up, there is a strong resemblance to the people of Portugal, which is due to the fact that the Portuguese Empire enslaved and dominated the people of these 10 African islands for 500 years until its independence in 1975. Additionally, nowadays there is a strong bond not only between the two countries in the political, social, cultural, and economic fields- Cape Verde, for example, is the African country that gets most support and money from Portugal - but also between the two people wherever they meet outside their motherland. You just need to go to Fall River or New Bedford on a Sunday afternoon when Benfica, Porto or Sporting - Portuguese premier league soccer teams - are playing to see how these two people come together. So, one cannot deny the strong bond, relationship and resemblance between Cape Verdean and Portuguese People especially here in New England. Actually, many Cape Verdeans are proud of this and the great relationship they have with the Portuguese community."

I'm well aware or our Portuguese and African heritage besides our Jewish, Italian’s and much other blood we have in our lineage; and I’m committed to always teach and pass that part of my heritage to my future offspring. But I'm also well aware that although Cape Verde was considered part of Portugal Provencal until 1975, in July 5, 1975 the country became an independent nation with its own identity and nationality, made of people from different racial and ethnic background. This is the side of the story that most Cape Verdeans insist that Standard Times mention when talking about us instead of just implying that we are Portuguese and letting the other side of the story on the dark. All we want and demand is fair reporting because when fairness is ignored one starts to wonder about the unspoken agenda.

In conclusion, there is no conspiracy theory here against Portuguese - a people that I personally like and have great relationship with. Don't try to come with the old trick to make Cape Verdeans against Portuguese because that's not what we want and that will not happen. We are two people that are friendly with each other and coexist well together. Again, all the majority of Cape Verdeans are asking from Standard Times is fair and balanced reporting.

May the Portuguese and Cape Verdean peace be upon us! Very Happy

Thank you.

Guest · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject:

Kakau cabu ser makako tambem. End of discussion for me. Waste of my time to try to educate the ignorant. I know what I am and am comfortable in that. You keep trying to erase history for your own gratification. Saying goes never arguing with an idiot, thoe watching wont who is who. Te logo, bu amigo mas branco de ki bo.

Kakau · Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 324

Anonymous wrote:

Kakau cabu ser makako tambem. End of discussion for me. Waste of my time to try to educate the ignorant. I know what I am and am comfortable in that. You keep trying to erase history for your own gratification. Saying goes never arguing with an idiot, thoe watching wont who is who. Te logo, bu amigo mas branco de ki bo.

Look, mr. wanna-be, you can't be more white than I am because I'm not white, I'm black, that means, you can only be less black than I am, which you certainly are - that is, going by your family picture, I'd assume you look like a typical puerto rican. And puerto ricans, are, for your information, part African, thus not white. That makes you by this comparison non-white, too, or more specifically, Black.

Guest · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject:

Explain then to me why my children were born blonde haired and blue eyed? If I were black as you say, would they not be born dark skinned and nappy haired? Neither is by any stretch of the imagination. I do have people who married into my family that were mixed and one male who married a cousin of mine is white but his children were born black because he was of mixed races which happens here too. Why do you refuse to believe or admit that there were and probably still is white people in cape verde? So under your reasoning there are no white americans? dont think so. Debate if you like, I can talk like a civilized person all day and all night, but if your going to let your ignorance through, which does not surprise me, and resort to name calling I am done.

Kakau · Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 324

Anonymous wrote:

Explain then to me why my children were born blonde haired and blue eyed? If I were black as you say, would they not be born dark skinned and nappy haired? Neither is by any stretch of the imagination. I do have people who married into my family that were mixed and one male who married a cousin of mine is white but his children were born black because he was of mixed races which happens here too. Why do you refuse to believe or admit that there were and probably still is white people in cape verde? So under your reasoning there are no white americans? dont think so. Debate if you like, I can talk like a civilized person all day and all night, but if your going to let your ignorance through, which does not surprise me, and resort to name calling I am done.

Would you kindly point to me where and when I stated that there aren't any white people in Cabo Verde? Good luck finding it because I never said so. What I said is that there are only a tiny number of white Cape Verdeans. I further said that in my entire life I've met less than ten Cape Verdeans who could pass for white in America.
Furthermore, regarding you and your family, as I said before, if I were to go by the picture you emailed me, you would not be white at all, what you'd be is some kinda of funny puerto rican, which explains why many people challenge your claim to be white and try to convince you that you are hispanic. Otherwise, if you are truly white, as you so wish to be, nobody would've challenged you throughout the years. Now, as far as your daughter having blond hair and blue eyes, that's not hard to believe since her mother is mostly likely an anglo whose genes are stronger than yours. Otherwise, she would have come out looking as swarthy and pr-ish as you do.

Guest · Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject:

Te logo

cabrala · Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 62

Once Cape Verdean, always Cape Verdean!

With all due respect, but a piece of work that claims to represent the truth that it is trying to teach should corroborate with the reality of what it is being reported.

Mr. Zack Sousa, I am sorry but I don’t think that it is fair or correct to say that Capeverdeans were Portuguese, or Portuguese black Islander!?, in any historical circumstance, even when considering the historical past that Mr. Joao Ferreira allude to.

Mr. Zack Souza, you are just trying to make it politically correct to say that Capeverdeans were all Portuguese before 1975, and only after that, THANK GOD, capeverdeans could turn into Capeverdeans.

What an absurd!

If not, when were capeverdeans really capeverdeans. Is it correct to say that capeverdeans were only legitimately capeverdeans after the Independence of Cape Verde from Portuguese colonial power?

Of course not! Capeverdeans were Capeverdeans since they were Capeverdeans, born, lived, own language, own culture, trying to establish their identity as they find themselves, and no less. Don’t be surprised if one day you see Cabo Verde written “Kabo Verde” as that time is not far.

Even you, Dr. Zack Sousa, find yourself in contradiction when you say you are a capeverdean, you couldn’t mistake that, but you admit you were also Portuguese before Independence - BEACAUSE YOUR PASSPORT SAID SO”; you met people who were not born in Cabo Verde, are white, and say they are Capeverdean. Did you ask them why they think they are capeverdeans?

Make up your mind Sir!!!! You can’t be both, or is it the color of your skin again?!

Go ask a capeverdean if he was a Portuguese before the Independence. I was born before the Independence. I have never been a Portuguese, which doesn’t mean I have anything against Portuguese people. My passport (ID) also said Portuguese.

PORTUGUESE DID NOT GIVE CAPEVERDEAN ANOTHER NATIONALITY, PORTUGUESE WERE FORCED TO RECOGNIZE WHAT ALREADY EXISTED, since capeverdeans were capeverdeans ( a nation) even if for political convenience, which has always been the case, capeverdean passport said PORTUGUESE. That is the fact, no matter how you perceive it. After the Independent of Cape Verde, the people who had close ties with the Portuguese were given the option to remain capeverdean or adopt the Portuguese nationality. Many capeverdeans turned themselves into Portuguese and moved from Cape Verde to Portugal. Jews are Jews because what makes them Jews and not what their passport says.

Nobody is changing history. We are stating what was and not what was politically correct to say. That time is gone. We just don’t want this confusion to continue on and on to make our children confused. You can call yourself Portuguese if so you prefer, but don’t confuse other innocent capeverdeans.

St_antao · Guest

It is sad to go in a site where there is supposedly educated and academic people, although we can find here lies and half truths.

The fact that the supposedly intellectuals are ignoring in this debate is that although cape-verde is independent, capeverdeans (the people who live in cape-verde) didn't want to be and independent country. There was never any kind of revolt against portugal in cape-verde. It was some very little number of individuals that went to figth against portugal in guinea-bissau because in cape-verde the majority didn't want to be separated to the mother-land(portugal). Those who went to guinea-bissau to figth portugal where not generous cape-verdeans as far as they tried to control a country that was not their, cape-verdeans are not guineans. The guineans had to do a coup to expulse the cape-verdeans who were trying to rule their country. These cape-verdeans then made fortunes in cape-verde taking advantage of the fact that they were the new rulers of cv.

The result of all this is a "country" that cannot survive by itself, there is not enough agriculture (10% of arable lands), there is no industry, capeverde survives thanks to us that send money to cv (30% of GDP) and the intertnational aid (cv receives 110$/capita for international aid).

So, no cape-verdeans didn't want to be an independent country, it was just some 100 cape-verdeans who went to guinea bissau and sthole cape-verde its identity trying to unify cv and guinea bissau. The thruth will finish to be uncovered and the portuguese culture will be praised in cape-verde in the near future. We will go back to our real cultural sphere, Portugal.

PS;I know that unfair attacks will be made against my post or simply be iognored because I wrote the truth (-------) about the capeverdean willing to stay Portuguese but this willing was betrayed by a 100 of cv who went to guinea-bissau, this truth is unbreakable.

Guest · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:26 am Post subject:

St_antao wrote:

...The thruth will finish to be uncovered and the portuguese culture will be praised in cape-verde in the near future. We will go back to our real cultural sphere, Portugal...

Before people respond to St_Antao it's good to know where he comes from and what's his background ideas on the Cape Verdean identity and race.

Here are St_Antao's own words posted on the topic RACIST ON BOARD at 'http://forum.cvmusicworld.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6682&PN=11':

st_antao wrote:
you are a ni**er, I am a portuguse from cv...

I've been debating with him on different topics about Cape Verdean identity and race at cv music world's forum. He is a racist wannabe portguese that egotistically and arroglantly refuse to accept the fact that the majority of Cape Verdeans didn't want to be under Portuguese dominance and colonialism; and he's desperately trying to distort the facts about the Cape Verdean history to preach the portuguese nationalism and promotes its cultural dominance and the racist concept that lighter skin Cape Verdeans are better than the darker ones.

But the saddest thing is that St_Antao is an editor at a cvmusicworld.com and Sodade magazine - now you understand why the magazine refused to spell the creole word Sodade correctly: Sodadi. He's using a smart and intelligent badiu, Nacio, to smoothly spread the portuguese cultural ego to Capeverdeans. That's why I don't bother going to that website and read Sodade. I guess that, according to St_antao, when, "in the near future" Cape Verde "[goes] back to [its] real cultural sphere, Portugal" the website will be called PortugueseMusicWorld.com and Sodade will become Saudades. Very Happy

Good luck St_antao but your white beard will be going down to your feet while you're waiting for this near future. Laughing

Manu Salah · Guest

St_antao wrote:

It is sad to go in a site where there is supposedly educated and academic people, although we can find here lies and half truths.

The fact that the supposedly intellectuals are ignoring in this debate is that although cape-verde is independent, capeverdeans (the people who live in cape-verde) didn't want to be and independent country. There was never any kind of revolt against portugal in cape-verde. It was some very little number of individuals that went to figth against portugal in guinea-bissau because in cape-verde the majority didn't want to be separated to the mother-land(portugal). Those who went to guinea-bissau to figth portugal where not generous cape-verdeans as far as they tried to control a country that was not their, cape-verdeans are not guineans. The guineans had to do a coup to expulse the cape-verdeans who were trying to rule their country. These cape-verdeans then made fortunes in cape-verde taking advantage of the fact that they were the new rulers of cv.

The result of all this is a "country" that cannot survive by itself, there is not enough agriculture (10% of arable lands), there is no industry, capeverde survives thanks to us that send money to cv (30% of GDP) and the intertnational aid (cv receives 110$/capita for international aid).

So, no cape-verdeans didn't want to be an independent country, it was just some 100 cape-verdeans who went to guinea bissau and sthole cape-verde its identity trying to unify cv and guinea bissau. The thruth will finish to be uncovered and the portuguese culture will be praised in cape-verde in the near future. We will go back to our real cultural sphere, Portugal.

PS;I know that unfair attacks will be made against my post or simply be iognored because I wrote the truth (-------) about the capeverdean willing to stay Portuguese but this willing was betrayed by a 100 of cv who went to guinea-bissau, this truth is unbreakable.

I Deus.

We love all of you with compassion and mercy.

We will not attack you, for you are one of the many children of
Cabo Verde or from Portugal. We don't want to erase Portugal out of history,we know both sides of the history of Portugal;positive and neagative. You say you wrote the truth and i believe you when you say that. The truth as taught by whom? Do you really know all the truth?
Perhaps we know some truth but not all the truth. Do you know how much truth is missing from what so many are saying. Not your fault.

Why do so many try to divide Cabo verde from Guinea Bissau.

Not even Portugal try to divide themselves from Africa,from Angola to Mozambique. Dr.Amilcar Cabral said that Portugal took us out of history.

What we need to hear is all the truth and that would be the reconciliation
of the truth that needs to come from Portugal and from all of Europe that went into Africa;and the reconciliation from Africa and all other nations of the world in order to bring peace and love to humanity on this planet earth. That is what is meant when it was said we need to be born again.

Name calling and one nation against the other in terms of their personal greed and lies will not help any of us but we must tell the whole truth.

The numbers of Caboverdianos who joined the poor people of the world against tyranny and exploitation,slavery and colonialism,were more then you know. Even Caboverdianos from the USA went to help in this struggle. Those who did understood the truth spoken by Amilcar Cabral

Those who came to help make the change had a special blessing.
Just for your information many Portuguese people also came and was part of the struggle against dictatorship and the wrong doings they saw not only in Africa but also in Portuga,and in the world.

There is much more to the history then you are telling and more truth to be told.

Dr.Amilcar Cabral said:" Tell no lies and claim no easy victories".

Love to all and malice towards none.

Manu de Cabo Verde Azijah

By the way St-Antao is beautiful I was there last year I went Porto Novo
to the mountain top(Gasser) and into the valley low.From one side to the other. I have many dear friends there, Wonderful people.

Guest · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject:

salah,

the fact is that cape-verdeans(the people who live in cape-verde) didn't figth against portugal, it was some 100 maybe 1000 cape-verdeans who went to guinea bissau and sthole the identity of cape-verde by trying to unify cv and guinea.

Salah, you wrote "Why do so many try to divide Cabo verde from Guinea Bissau." if you are an honest person, you will notice that it is the guineans that expulsed the cape-verdeans from guinea-bissau, because those cape-verdeans were trtying to rule guinea-bissau, which is not their country. These 1000 cape-verdeans now after 30 years have built huge fortunes(compared to the average cv) and mostly have portuguese passports.

salah, the truth will come from objectivity. What is objectivity? well, when I tell that the majority in cv didn't revolt against portugal, it is objectively the truth. When I tell that the guineans expulsed the 1000 cape-verdeans that were trying to sthole their country it is the objective truth

Finally, it is time to recognise that almicar cabral was not god, and that he did a lot of mistakes that cv is paying for today. And for your point in dictatorship, even in portugal they fougth against the dictatorship and did a revolution in 1975, this revolution was against a fascist governement and not against portugal.

Ken_Pittman · Guest

Being an American gives us all common ground with the Cape Verdean people in this respect; We are not called British, we are Americans. The English colonized here and are no longer the ruling government. The Portugese colonized the Cape Verdean Islands and are no longer the ruling gov't. I think the great people of the Cape Verdean Community should be proud of their heritage.

bimbirim · Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 4

Mr. Santo Antao,

Are you speaking for the majority of Capeverdeans?

You must be kiding or I loose the little respect I tend to have for all my countryman.

You felt betrayed ahh, with the Independence of Cape Verde. I wonder you were one of the rulling pretentious Portuguese people who really lost the case. Yeah, I know, The Independence were not for everybody's favor. For some of you who were getting their lives out of dispair of others was a bad deal. I believe you must be one of them.

If that is true, good!!!

Because that is why we wanted Independence. To kick all the people that pretend they are capeverdeans but they dress Portuguese and do all kinds of abuse. Now, you have people from Somada, Tarrafal, to govern the country. let them get rich, they are capeverdeans. What are you afraid of?

That is a betrayal to you because you probably would never expect os "Badius" to govern or be in position to make decision.

That is your worst deception. By the way, it is and Individual from Somada that got us the Independence, Amilcar Cabral, remember. He was a black man. God knows what he suffered among the whites wanna-be of Cabo Verde.

Wake up and smell the coffee Mr. Santo Antao.

You seem to know nothing about what is going on. You're still on that old colonial mind set.
"gentes branco"

Sayng that Guinee Bissau is now better than Capeverde proves your blatant ignorance. Do you hear the news, or read Sir. I am sure you don't even know Portuguese, do you?

Cabo Verde e o Pais mas bem governado di Africa, Sir. Dali poko tempo nu ta passa Portugal, ku ajuda di nos immigrantes.

Passe bem,

St_antao · Guest

bimbirim,

I never told that guinea bissau was better than cv. guinea bissau is a bankrupt country without stability.

You keep going in lying, when you tell that the cape-verdeans (the people who live in cape verde) wanted to be independent. They didn't. There was never a revolt against portugal in cape verde. The 100 cape-verdeans that wanted to be independent went to figth portugal in guinea bissau because in cape-verde nobody wanted to figth against portugal. The 100 revolutionary capeverdeans end up expulsed from guinea bissau, because they tried to rule guinea-bissau as if it was their country. The guineans even, killed the lider of this 100 capeverdeans, Amilcar Cabral. It is more and more clear now that Amilcar Cabral has been killed by guineans.

Concerning, you stupid comments on cape-verdeans who dressed like portuguese, ...If I am rigth 99% of the cape-verdeans dress like the portuguese

Sao Vicente · Guest

Geee! I didn't know we still have all these skinheads among us advocating for Portuguese white power and supremacy. I thought that P.I.D.E - Polícia Internacional e de Defesa do Estado -, the portuguese version of Nazi's Gestapo, and its members had desappeared.

It bothers me knowing that some Cape Verdeans here in the US still have racist feelings towards their own people and are so proud to shout it out on the web with no shame . Shocked

Is there a regional chapter of Cape Verdean kkk in New England?

St_antao · Guest

again a liar, you come in this site and you lie. You tell that there is supremacist in this site, where are they? I just see a bunch of liar ready to lie about cv, africa, and portugal to reach their conclusions against portugal.

In 1974, The people from mainland portugal fougth against the PIDE, they did a revolution against the fascist. This is a fact. They were oppressed by the facists salazar as much as the capeverdeans.

Creolinha · Guest

Anonymous wrote:

Before people respond to St_Antao it's good to know where he comes from and what's his background ideas on the Cape Verdean identity and race.

Here are St_Antao's own words posted on the topic RACIST ON BOARD at 'http://forum.cvmusicworld.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6682&PN=11':

st_antao wrote:
you are a ni**er, I am a portuguse from cv...

But the saddest thing is that St_Antao is an editor at a cvmusicworld.com and Sodade magazine - now you understand why the magazine refused to spell the creole word Sodade correctly: Sodadi. He's using a smart and intelligent badiu, Nacio, to smoothly spread the portuguese cultural ego to Capeverdeans. That's why I don't bother going to that website and read Sodade Laughing

Now, I understand why cvmusicworld.com and Sodade I mean Sodadi Laughing

magazine doesn't publish much articles about Cape Verdeans artists from the island of Santiago. You go there, it's mostly about artists from Barlavento or those from S. Vicente and Santo Antao that lives in Portugal. Badius come out on it once a month if they're lucky. With racist editors like St_Antao that can't stand badius, Santiago artists will never get the attention and coverage they deserve on those publications.

I wonder if the owner of cvmusicworld and Sodadi is aware of St_Antao's agenda:

"St_antao wrote:
...The thruth will finish to be uncovered and the portuguese culture will be praised in cape-verde in the near future. We will go back to our real cultural sphere, Portugal..."

I suggest that before cvmusicworld.com and Sodadi magazine loose their credibility that is seriously in jeopardy from having a racist and anti-capeverdean on board, the owner hires Donald Trump to tell St_Antao, “you’re fired!"

St_antao · Guest

you start to lie calling me a supremacist, then you state that I have links with cvmusicworld.com, I am in Europe and have no links with cv-americans...

Shame on you, you are just disturbed because you are not used to see people contradicting your afro-centrist shit. Be aware that I will go in any site where dishonest cv-americans are spreading their afro-centrist views. With me, Everything told will have to be prouved. You will have a hard time bulshiting you afro-centrist theories. I will be there.

Guest · Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject:

St_Antao,
don't try to hide behind the European racist mask. We all know who you are. Wink

Sao Antao2 · Guest

St_Antao, I hope you are not speaking in the name of all people from the island of Santo Antao. You are embarassing all of us here.

Favor, pará kes disparot grinha ci.

St_antao · Guest

I am not ready to stop, I will come back again and again (and will even bring the KKK with me Laughing

). I will allways stand up against the afro-centrists, there is no glory in being an afro-centrist. Even the africans are living their countries in africa which are in bankrupcy. You are comfortably in the usa praising bankruptded, corrupted africa.

So, y