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Azijah · Guest

My dear people of Cabo Verde,

Please, do not be disturbed by the the lack of knowledge (ignorance) of those who do not know about Cabo Verde and its people. The problem was created by colonialism.

As Dr. Amilcar Lopes Cabral said, we were taking out of history by the colonizers for people of Cabo Verde (Azijah), mainly by Portugal.

This problem is not new, all people who have been colonized or enslaved have undergone this trauma. Those of us who are old enough to remember, it was a problem between the so-called American Negro and the folks who migrated here from the West Indies back in the 30's & 40's.

The folks from the Greater Antilles the Caribbean Sea. Barbados and Jamaica, those that were colonized by the British did not like to be classified as Negros. The so-called West Indians would say we are not Negroes but we are British Subjects. I remember very clearly many of arguments on the subject. The American Negro would have a fit if you called him Black or African. They did not want anything to do with Africa.

they would say I can't ride my Cadillac in Africa and I don't have no bones in my nose. Please don't sweat the small stuff.

We are Caboverdeanos. the country is called Cabo Verde. However, there is a problem here, if they can't deal with that reality.

No we are not the problem for crime.

Manu Salah
To Be continued...

Lu di Dulce · Guest

Hello Mister Salah,

Your analysis of the Capeverdean IDENTITY and all the problems surrounding it is right on the money. It is sad that a greater number of our people have not understood that the cause for all our problems lie in our ROOTS. We were colonised for over 500 years and during all those years we heard that white is good and black is evil.

As Adriano Cabral would say, it is difficult to uncolonise people's minds, but with every passing day we find more tools to help us take the right path to freedom (that is, freedom of mind). We should definitely try to help our people achieve this feat.

Thank you,

Lu

azijah de Cabo verde · Guest

Hi Lu
It was good to talk with by phone.

Please could you tell me about Adriano Cabral. What has been his role in Cabo verde transformation. Who is Adriano cabral?

Manu salah

Lu di Dulce · Guest

Hi Manu,
It was indeed a marvelous moment talking about our people and our common goals regarding the future of our people. Adriano Cabral is a young man full of good ideas and willingness to further our agenda. If you go to "About Us" on the main page you'll find some valuable info about him.

Hope we'll get the possibility to re-engage in these wonderful debates. And as we've talked about it would be very good to sit down with Alberto and Adriano and devise on our future plans.

Deus fica cu bo,

Lu

Salah de Azijah Cabo Verd · Guest

Lu di Dulce wrote:

Hello Mister Salah,

Your analysis of the Capeverdean IDENTITY and all the problems surrounding it is right on the money. It is sad that a greater number of our people have not understood that the cause for all our problems lie in our ROOTS. We were colonised for over 500 years and during all those years we heard that white is good and black is evil.

As Adriano Cabral would say, it is difficult to uncolonise people's minds, but with every passing day we find more tools to help us take the right path to freedom (that is, freedom of mind). We should definitely try to help our people achieve this feat.

Thank you,

Lu

Thank you for your kind words. We certainly look forward to our unidade,
junta Mon.

I think that Cabrala is working.

Happy New Year.

Atel Logo.

Manu Salah

CV Aquiles' heel · Guest

Standard Times touched the Cape Verdean "Aquiles' heel." Unity among this people will only be a reality when this misunderstanding is cleaned up. Idea

Guest · Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:10 am Post subject:

But to make this issue clear among Cape Verdeans, there has to be public debates and workshops about race and our identity so we all depart from one common plataform.

St_antao · Guest

Dear salha mattheus,

I really think that you are lying to cape-verdeans about their culture and identity. It seems to me that you go around talking about ijiza or whatever you call cape-verde but you are never in front of someone to do the contradiction of your pseudo-philosophy (despite all the respect you deserve), I am not here to be your friend. I have noticed several points that you are lying about and I want to bring in my point of view.

1) capeverdeans wanted to be independent from portugal? that's completly wrong, it is a lie, cape-verdeans wanted to stay with portugal and there was never any kind of revolt against portugal in cv soil. The 100-revolutionaires had to go to guinea-bissau.

2)CV has its basis in slavery untill the 19th century? again it is wrong, a lie. Cape-verde received thousands if not millions of slaves in it soil but these slaves were in cv in a temporary basis, they were sent in their majority to the americas. Most pseudo-intellectual try to write about slavery in cape-verde allways forgot to stress the point that 99% of the slaves that went to cape-verde were there in a temporary basis on their way to the americas. Then, the inflence of slavery in cape-verde is not as important as these intellectuals tell in their books. For example in the 18th century there was around 10% of the cv population that was slaves, which shows that it was a marginal phenomenon. This information is easy to find just go in a library (in portuguese archives for example).

3) you talk about africa as a block. again it is a lie. There is 4 different kind of civilisations in africa, the blacks-negroid sub-saharians, the arabo berbers in north africa, the indo-creole islands in the east of south africa, the ibero-islands in the north of africa (cape-verde is part of the ibero-islands).
Where I totally disagree with you, is when you mix arabo-berbers civilisation and black-negroid civilisations. The arabo-berbers are a white people, and if they are not white, then the greeks, the portuguese, the spanish or italians are not white too.
Another point is you lack of honesty concerning black-negroid sub-saharan africans. You allways talk about great achievements they did, but most of the time it wrong, because what you identify as a black-african sub-saharian cultural point, is the result of the influence of the arabo-berber who brougth to black-negroid sub-saharans africans their religion (islam), their alphabet (arabic), and even their arabic names. This phenomenon is not different from the european colonialism. Maybe you will be surprised to learn that the name that you choosed "sahla" is an arabic name brougth in sub-saharan africa by the arabo-berbers while their where converting blacks to islams and buying slaves. Why did you choose an arabic name to put emphasis in the fact that you identify with sub-saharan africa, that's ridiculious, the arabs were colonisers of africa as well.

4) your lies about sub-saharan african civilisation. As far as I know the arabo-berbers peoples and the black-negroid sub-saharan africans, are two different civilisations. The egyptians were arabo-berbers and therefore are not part of the sub-saharan civilisation as you try to say in your posts. Another point is the level of enligthment of the proper black-negroid civilisations. You pretend that they were in a very advanced level of civilisation...From an objective point of view, I would tell that they were as advanced as the european celtic tribes were when the roman empire civilised the north of europe. Therefore not very advance and just at a tribal level of organisation.

Why do you want so much to be linked with sub-saharan africa? Maybe it is just an emulation of the phenomenon you described about the afro-americans who now try to link themselves with africa, you are emulating them, maybe it means that your indentity is sliding generation after generation and that you are becoming afro-americans and not anymore cape-verdeans. You are using the same rethorics than the afro-americans which means that inconsciently you are becoming afro-americans loosing your cape-verdeaness...

Guest · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:24 am Post subject:

St_antao wrote:

...The thruth will finish to be uncovered and the portuguese culture will be praised in cape-verde in the near future. We will go back to our real cultural sphere, Portugal...

Before people respond to St_Antao it's good to know where he comes from and what's his background ideas on the Cape Verdean identity and race.

Here are St_Antao's own words posted on the topic RACIST ON BOARD at 'http://forum.cvmusicworld.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6682&PN=11':

st_antao wrote:
you are a ni**er, I am a portuguse from cv...

I've been debating with him on different topics about Cape Verdean identity and race at cv music world's forum. He is a racist wannabe portguese that egotistically and arroglantly refuse to accept the fact that the majority of Cape Verdeans didn't want to be under Portuguese dominance and colonialism; and he's desperately trying to distort the facts about the Cape Verdean history to preach the portuguese nationalism and promotes its cultural dominance and the racist concept that lighter skin Cape Verdeans are better than the darker ones.

But the saddest thing is that St_Antao is an editor at a cvmusicworld.com and Sodade magazine - now you understand why the magazine refused to spell the creole word Sodade correctly: Sodadi. He's using a smart and intelligent badiu, Nacio, to smoothly spread the portuguese cultural ego to Capeverdeans. That's why I don't bother going to that website and read Sodade. I guess that, according to St_antao, when, "in the near future" Cape Verde "[goes] back to [its] real cultural sphere, Portugal" the website will be called PortugueseMusicWorld.com and Sodade will become Saudades. Very Happy

Good luck St_antao but your white beard will be going down to your feet while you're waiting for this near future. Laughing

St_antao · Guest

guest,

I am not cv-american and I don't write in cv american magazines.

Manu Salah · Guest

St_antao wrote:

Dear salha mattheus,

I really think that you are lying to cape-verdeans about their culture and identity. It seems to me that you go around talking about ijiza or whatever you call cape-verde but you are never in front of someone to do the contradiction of your pseudo-philosophy (despite all the respect you deserve), I am not here to be your friend. I have noticed several points that you are lying about and I want to bring in my point of view.

1) capeverdeans wanted to be independent from portugal? that's completly wrong, it is a lie, cape-verdeans wanted to stay with portugal and there was never any kind of revolt against portugal in cv soil. The 100-revolutionaires had to go to guinea-bissau.

2)CV has its basis in slavery untill the 19th century? again it is wrong, a lie. Cape-verde received thousands if not millions of slaves in it soil but these slaves were in cv in a temporary basis, they were sent in their majority to the americas. Most pseudo-intellectual try to write about slavery in cape-verde allways forgot to stress the point that 99% of the slaves that went to cape-verde were there in a temporary basis on their way to the americas. Then, the inflence of slavery in cape-verde is not as important as these intellectuals tell in their books. For example in the 18th century there was around 10% of the cv population that was slaves, which shows that it was a marginal phenomenon. This information is easy to find just go in a library (in portuguese archives for example).

3) you talk about africa as a block. again it is a lie. There is 4 different kind of civilisations in africa, the blacks-negroid sub-saharians, the arabo berbers in north africa, the indo-creole islands in the east of south africa, the ibero-islands in the north of africa (cape-verde is part of the ibero-islands).
Where I totally disagree with you, is when you mix arabo-berbers civilisation and black-negroid civilisations. The arabo-berbers are a white people, and if they are not white, then the greeks, the portuguese, the spanish or italians are not white too.
Another point is you lack of honesty concerning black-negroid sub-saharan africans. You allways talk about great achievements they did, but most of the time it wrong, because what you identify as a black-african sub-saharian cultural point, is the result of the influence of the arabo-berber who brougth to black-negroid sub-saharans africans their religion (islam), their alphabet (arabic), and even their arabic names. This phenomenon is not different from the european colonialism. Maybe you will be surprised to learn that the name that you choosed "sahla" is an arabic name brougth in sub-saharan africa by the arabo-berbers while their where converting blacks to islams and buying slaves. Why did you choose an arabic name to put emphasis in the fact that you identify with sub-saharan africa, that's ridiculious, the arabs were colonisers of africa as well.

4) your lies about sub-saharan african civilisation. As far as I know the arabo-berbers peoples and the black-negroid sub-saharan africans, are two different civilisations. The egyptians were arabo-berbers and therefore are not part of the sub-saharan civilisation as you try to say in your posts. Another point is the level of enligthment of the proper black-negroid civilisations. You pretend that they were in a very advanced level of civilisation...From an objective point of view, I would tell that they were as advanced as the european celtic tribes were when the roman empire civilised the north of europe. Therefore not very advance and just at a tribal level of organisation.

Why do you want so much to be linked with sub-saharan africa? Maybe it is just an emulation of the phenomenon you described about the afro-americans who now try to link themselves with africa, you are emulating them, maybe it means that your indentity is sliding generation after generation and that you are becoming afro-americans and not anymore cape-verdeans. You are using the same rethorics than the afro-americans which means that inconsciently you are becoming afro-americans loosing your cape-verdeaness...

THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION.
YOU HAVE TOLD THE WORLD WHAT YOU ARE.
MAY YOU HAVE GOOD HEALTH AND LONG LIFE.

MANU

MANU · Guest

St_antao wrote:

Dear salha mattheus,

I really think that you are lying to cape-verdeans about their culture and identity. It seems to me that you go around talking about ijiza or whatever you call cape-verde but you are never in front of someone to do the contradiction of your pseudo-philosophy (despite all the respect you deserve), I am not here to be your friend. I have noticed several points that you are lying about and I want to bring in my point of view.

1) capeverdeans wanted to be independent from portugal? that's completly wrong, it is a lie, cape-verdeans wanted to stay with portugal and there was never any kind of revolt against portugal in cv soil. The 100-revolutionaires had to go to guinea-bissau.

2)CV has its basis in slavery untill the 19th century? again it is wrong, a lie. Cape-verde received thousands if not millions of slaves in it soil but these slaves were in cv in a temporary basis, they were sent in their majority to the americas. Most pseudo-intellectual try to write about slavery in cape-verde allways forgot to stress the point that 99% of the slaves that went to cape-verde were there in a temporary basis on their way to the americas. Then, the inflence of slavery in cape-verde is not as important as these intellectuals tell in their books. For example in the 18th century there was around 10% of the cv population that was slaves, which shows that it was a marginal phenomenon. This information is easy to find just go in a library (in portuguese archives for example).

3) you talk about africa as a block. again it is a lie. There is 4 different kind of civilisations in africa, the blacks-negroid sub-saharians, the arabo berbers in north africa, the indo-creole islands in the east of south africa, the ibero-islands in the north of africa (cape-verde is part of the ibero-islands).
Where I totally disagree with you, is when you mix arabo-berbers civilisation and black-negroid civilisations. The arabo-berbers are a white people, and if they are not white, then the greeks, the portuguese, the spanish or italians are not white too.
Another point is you lack of honesty concerning black-negroid sub-saharan africans. You allways talk about great achievements they did, but most of the time it wrong, because what you identify as a black-african sub-saharian cultural point, is the result of the influence of the arabo-berber who brougth to black-negroid sub-saharans africans their religion (islam), their alphabet (arabic), and even their arabic names. This phenomenon is not different from the european colonialism. Maybe you will be surprised to learn that the name that you choosed "sahla" is an arabic name brougth in sub-saharan africa by the arabo-berbers while their where converting blacks to islams and buying slaves. Why did you choose an arabic name to put emphasis in the fact that you identify with sub-saharan africa, that's ridiculious, the arabs were colonisers of africa as well.

4) your lies about sub-saharan african civilisation. As far as I know the arabo-berbers peoples and the black-negroid sub-saharan africans, are two different civilisations. The egyptians were arabo-berbers and therefore are not part of the sub-saharan civilisation as you try to say in your posts. Another point is the level of enligthment of the proper black-negroid civilisations. You pretend that they were in a very advanced level of civilisation...From an objective point of view, I would tell that they were as advanced as the european celtic tribes were when the roman empire civilised the north of europe. Therefore not very advance and just at a tribal level of organisation.

Why do you want so much to be linked with sub-saharan africa? Maybe it is just an emulation of the phenomenon you described about the afro-americans who now try to link themselves with africa, you are emulating them, maybe it means that your indentity is sliding generation after generation and that you are becoming afro-americans and not anymore cape-verdeans. You are using the same rethorics than the afro-americans which means that inconsciently you are becoming afro-americans loosing your cape-verdeaness...

THE SPELLING IS AZIJAH.

AZIJAH MEANS THE MIGHTY AND PRECIOUS.

THE REBALADOS IN ST TIAGO WOULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU.

THE PEOPLE WHO YOU SAY WANTED TO STAY WITH PORTUGAL ARE THE
VERY SAME ONES WHO PLAYED CRICKET,THEY ARE THE ONES WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE OF OUR WOMAN AND BEAT OUR MEN WITH PALMATORA. AFTER HUNDREADS OF YEARS OF BEATING AND KILLING,RAPE AND FORCED ASSIMILATION SOME OF THE AFRICANS WHO WERE MADE MULLATOS OR MESTIZO AND THRU THE MISCENGINATION PROCESS WERE SUCCUMB BY THOSE EVIL FORCES.

SUCCUMB. BY WEBSTER COLLEGIATE DICTIONARY;

FORCED TO YIELD TO SUPERIOR STRENGTH BY OVERPOWERING BY DESTRUCTIVE AND DISRUPTIVE FORCES.

YOU TRY TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THE AFRICANS HAD AGREAT TIME IN SLAVERY.
THAT IS LIKE SAYING THAT JESUS LOVED BEING NAILED TO THE CROSS.

LIKE JESUS; THE AFRICAN SUFFERED FOR YOU,AND HE FORGIVES YOU FOR YOUR SINS. WE FORGIVE ACCORDING TO THE RICHES OF HIS GRACE.
ALL WE CAN SAY TO ALL WHO READ THIS; IS HE THAT LACKETH COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE AND CANNOT SEE AFAR OFF,AND HATH FORGOTTEN THAT HE WAS PURGED FROM HIS OLD SINS.
THIS IS A NEW DAY WITH ALL OUR TRUE FRIENDS AND RELATIVES IN THE NEW PORTUGAL. GRACA DE DEUS.

VIVA PORTUGAL, VIVA CABO VERDE, VIVA AFRICA.

PEACE BE UNTO YOU.

St_antao · Guest

manu,

I got plenty of questions on which, I think you are lying, or telling half truths.

But first let's go trough the rebelados questions, again the rebelados were around 100 persons (just like the 100 cv who went to figth in guinea-bissau). Now, being more precise about rebelados, where you lie, the rebelados were catholic extremist you get revolted against the will of the central portuguese government to modify the way the mass was done in the churches. They rebeled because they wanted to keep the cv-catholicism how it was. The rabelados were persecuted by the Salazar regime for insisting on following their own, peculiar, Christian beliefs.
The Portuguese, dissatisfied with the secular life style of the local priests, sent a new contingent of modern priests. They brought cars, motorbikes, and wore white. The rabelados thought this secular style offensive, as Jesus preached simplicity. They refused to go to mass, and continued to listen to the "old" fashioned priests. The rebelados were not against Portugal.

About the misgenation and the killing of the portuguese, you are lying again. The portuguese did misgenation in macao, cabo-verde, sao-tome, goa, mallaca. They did this by marriage with the locals because they didn't bring womans with them. Talking about killing and rapes you are confused with the nazi-anglo-saxons who killed and rape the negros. The portuguese married with local womans in macao, goa, mallaca and married with african womans in cv and sao-tome. The litterature is full of articles to acknowlege this facts.

again, I am strongly against your lies about africa. In africa, the north africans are arabo-berbers and the sub-saharan africans are negroid. They are completly separated civilisations and if you say that they are the same, then you are a lier (or an ignorant). The north-africains introduced their religion (islam) and their alphabet (arabic) and their arab names (muhamad, salim, salah) in sub-saharan africa. They were colonising sub-saharan africa and buying slaves there.
I disrespect you because you are claiming proudly to be from africa and you don't know africa. You are proud of having an african name, salah, but sorry this name is not more african than john, salah is an arabic name introduced by the arobo-berbers from north-africa who were in sub-saharian africa to buy their slaves.

I will end this post with something that should by a revelation for you, and make you understand that rebelados and the 100-cv revolutionaries of guinea bissau where not figthing portugal. If you analyse well the situation you will understand that they were figthing the facist governement of salazar, not portugal. Even the people of mainland portugal, fougth against the fascist governement of salazar. Some dishonest persons in cape-verde, convinced other cape-verdeans that Portugal was their ennemies but in fact their ennemies was the fascist governement of salazar that was opressing cape-verdeans as well as it was oppressing mainland portugal. Yes the last 30 have been based on lies.

josé bouquinhas · Guest

Mr St Antao, is interesting. He has vision and he puts things in the wright way. Facts! But, about Algeria, I think he must know that it is a different between an arab and a berber from Algeria.

I have two algerians, friends, one says me he's berber, another defends he is arab. And for a french man they aren't whites, but arabs! A french man doesn't make a different between an arab and a berber. For him they are arabs.

By the way the arab or berber people is hated in France in particular and in Europe in general. Negro, berber or arabs, are the same: immigrants, than not whites!

But let me say Mr ST Antao, you have good reflexions, but I' m afraid your thinking can not be defended by europeans (whites). Actually, we the capeverdeans we are just like every immigrant. We don't have a special treatement in Europe.

St_antao · Guest

Jose,

I am from france. The algerians and algerian born french are several millions (between 2 and 3 million). The berbers are not only in algeria, there is berbers in marroco and tunesia. Basically, the berbers are the native people from north africa, and the arabs conquered north africa in the 8th century, and now north africa is a mix of arabs and berbers. In france, north africa is called, "l'afrique blanche" which means white-africa. North africa is a completely different civilisation compared to the sub-saharian africa.
A french men doesn't do the difference between an arab and a berber. I don't do the difference as well. Even if it is easy to see the difference, as the berbers are similar to italians (for example Zidane).

Concerning immigrants in france. For sure a french born algerian or senegalese, is better treated than an immigrant from former yougoslavia. In contrast, I think, that in america, a white is allways treated better than a black no matter is americaness. Also, in france, immigrants from roumenia who are white are not treated very well...which shows that the color of skin is not allways that relevant. In 1892 and 1894 there was several riots of racist-frenchs against the italian immigrants, who in that time were already 700,000.

Concerning the fact that my tougth can't be defended by whites, that's a fact. But, if you think again, we don't have to ask permission to the whites. My philosophy is that our culture is not negociable, it would be ridiculous to have to ask to the whites if you have the rigth to be who you are. The whites are human beings like the others and they don't have the rigth to make choices for us just because we are mixed. I don't have complexes with them, and don't need their permission for whatever I do or think.

I hope my opinions are clear

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 585

THOSE OF YOU WHO FOLLOW MY WRITINGS.WILL SEE THAT I NEVER SAID THAT WE FOUGHT AGAINST THE PORTUGUESE PEOPLE BUT AGAINST THE TYRANNY AND INJUSTICE OF THE COLONIAL FASCISM.

WE HAD MANY GOOD PORTUGUESE WORKING WITH US AND WITH OUR STRUGGLE,THAT IN FACT BROUGHT ABOUT THE FLOWER POWER EVOLUTION THAT GAVE PORTUGAL A NEW FREEDOM AND A NEW DEMOCRACY. THE YOUNG TURKS CAPTAIN AND LT IN THE FORCA ARMADA ARE THE ONE THAT MADE THE TURN AROUND FOR PORTUGAL.

PORTUGAL AND CABO VERDE HAVE THE BEST RELATIONSHIP AS FRIENDS AND CAMARADAS.

WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT AND WE MARCH TOGETHER IN OUR FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY.

IT IS TOO BAD SOME PEOPLE DON'T READ ALL THAT IS SAID. UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO CHANGE THE FACTS TO SUIT THEMSELVES OR THEY DON'T HAVE HISTORY AS IT WAS BUT CHANGE THINGS TO SUIT THEIR OWN EGO AND ARROGANCE.
SOME TIMES SOME PEOPLE ONLY KNOW HISTORY AS IT HAS BEEN TAUGHT BY EUROPEAN HISTORIANS WHICH SO MUCH OF IT HAS BEEN TAINTED AND TWISTED TO MAKE THEM SUPERIOR.

THERE IS A VERY DIFFERENT HISTORY THAT IS TOLD BY AFRICAN ANTHROPOLOGIST SUCH AS CHIEK ANTA DIOP,ALI A.MAZURI.

MAY I SUGGEST THE AFRICAN DIASPORA: AFRICAN ORIGINS AND THE NEW WORLD IDENTITIES.

THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED MIGHT WANT CONSIDER:
THE SACRED IFA ORACLE BY DR. AFOLABI A. EPEGA, A DEFINITIVE
TEXT ON THIS TIMELESS PHILOSOPHICAL TRADITION.

IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED YOU WILL ENJOY READING THE FORTUNATE ISLES: A STUDY IN AFRICAN TRANSFORMATION, BY BASIL DAVIDSON

THANK YOU FOR YOUR KINDNESS.

MANU SALAH

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 585

St_antao wrote:

manu,

I got plenty of questions on which, I think you are lying, or telling half truths.

But first let's go trough the rebelados questions, again the rebelados were around 100 persons (just like the 100 cv who went to figth in guinea-bissau). Now, being more precise about rebelados, where you lie, the rebelados were catholic extremist you get revolted against the will of the central portuguese government to modify the way the mass was done in the churches. They rebeled because they wanted to keep the cv-catholicism how it was. The rabelados were persecuted by the Salazar regime for insisting on following their own, peculiar, Christian beliefs.
The Portuguese, dissatisfied with the secular life style of the local priests, sent a new contingent of modern priests. They brought cars, motorbikes, and wore white. The rabelados thought this secular style offensive, as Jesus preached simplicity. They refused to go to mass, and continued to listen to the "old" fashioned priests. The rebelados were not against Portugal.

About the misgenation and the killing of the portuguese, you are lying again. The portuguese did misgenation in macao, cabo-verde, sao-tome, goa, mallaca. They did this by marriage with the locals because they didn't bring womans with them. Talking about killing and rapes you are confused with the nazi-anglo-saxons who killed and rape the negros. The portuguese married with local womans in macao, goa, mallaca and married with african womans in cv and sao-tome. The litterature is full of articles to acknowlege this facts.

again, I am strongly against your lies about africa. In africa, the north africans are arabo-berbers and the sub-saharan africans are negroid. They are completly separated civilisations and if you say that they are the same, then you are a lier (or an ignorant). The north-africains introduced their religion (islam) and their alphabet (arabic) and their arab names (muhamad, salim, salah) in sub-saharan africa. They were colonising sub-saharan africa and buying slaves there.
I disrespect you because you are claiming proudly to be from africa and you don't know africa. You are proud of having an african name, salah, but sorry this name is not more african than john, salah is an arabic name introduced by the arobo-berbers from north-africa who were in sub-saharian africa to buy their slaves.

I will end this post with something that should by a revelation for you, and make you understand that rebelados and the 100-cv revolutionaries of guinea bissau where not figthing portugal. If you analyse well the situation you will understand that they were figthing the facist governement of salazar, not portugal. Even the people of mainland portugal, fougth against the fascist governement of salazar. Some dishonest persons in cape-verde, convinced other cape-verdeans that Portugal was their ennemies but in fact their ennemies was the fascist governement of salazar that was opressing cape-verdeans as well as it was oppressing mainland portugal. Yes the last 30 have been based on lies.

IT IS OBVIOUS FROM WHAT YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE QUICK TO REPLY WITHOUT READING ALL OF WHAT I HAVE SAID IN THE MANY POST THAT I HAVE ON THIS FORUM AND ON OTHER WEB SITE LINKS.
YOU HAVE MADE YOURSELF VERY CLEAR TO ALL.

MY CONCERN IS NOT TO HAVE A TIT FOR TAT WITH YOU.
YOU SAY WHAT YOU WANT,YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION.
YOU THINK THOSE OF US WHO EMBRACE OUR INDEPENDENCE AND OUR LIBERTY OUR FREEDOM TO SPEAK WHAT WE HAVE SUFFERED UNDER COLONIALISM AND THE INJUSTICE UNDER COLONIAL HEGMONY WERE WRONG TO WANT OUR FREEDOM.

YOU SAY THAT THE PEOPLE OF CABO VERDE DID NOT WANT TO CHANGE.
WHAT YOU DON'T SAY IS THAT OUR PEOPLE LIVED IN FEAR TO SAY ANYTHING AGAINST THE FASCIST. THE OTHER ABUSE THAT YOU DON'T SPEAK ABOUT IS THAT OF THE CHURCH. THOSE WHO DARE TO SPEAK OUT WERE BEATEN INTO SUBMISSION.

SINCE YOU SAY I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING I WILL LET THOSE WHO KNOW THE SUFFERING THAT WAS TOLD BY THE MANY GRANDPARENTS WHO TOLD THERE CHILDREN (PA NU SUFFREE CALADO) WE MUST SUFFER QUIETLY.

THE FEW WHO WERE ABLE TO ESCAPE OR FOUND THE COURAGE WEATHER THEY LIVED IN CABO VERDE OR GUINEA OR ST.TOME OR ANGOLA OR MOZAMBIQUE OR PORTUGAL, BOTH MEN AND WOMAN WHO CAME TOGETHER TO FORMULATE A MOVEMENT AGAINST OPPRESSION.

WE ARE THANKFUL TODAY. THERE NUMBERS COULD HAVE BEEN(ONE) TO 100 OR 1000 WE THANK THEM FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS FOR THEIR BLOOD AND GUTS AND MANY WHO GAVE THEIR LIFE FOR A NEW CABO VERDE A NEW AFRICA A NEW PORTUGAL. WE KNOW WE HAVE MANY PROBLEMS TO OVERCOME.THE STRUGGLES CONTINUES.

"OUR NATIONAL LIBERATION STRUGGLE HAS A GREAT SIGNIFICANCE BOTH FOR AFRICA AND FOR THE WORLD. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PROVING THAT PEOPLES SUCH AS OURS--ECONOMICALLY BACKWARD, LIVING SOMETIMES ALMOST NAKED IN THE BUSH OR IN THE MOUNTAINS, NOT KNOWING HOW TO READ OR WRITE,NOT HAVING EVEN THE MOST ELEMENTARY KNOWLEDGE OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY-ARE CAPABLE,BY MEANS OF THEIR SACRIFICES AND EFFORTS,OF BEATING AN ENEMY WHO IS NOT ONLY MORE ADVANCED FROM A TECHNOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW BUT ALSO SUPPORTED BY THE POWERFUL FORCES OF WORLD IMPERIALISM.
THUS BEFORE THE WORLD AND BEFORE AFRICA WE ASK: WERE THE PORTUGUESE RIGHT WHEN THEY CLAIMED THAT WE WERE UNCIVILISED PEOPLES, PEOPLES WITHOUT CULTURE? WE ASK: WHAT IS THE MOST STRIKING MANIFESTATION OF CIVILISATION AND CULTURE IF NOT THAT SHOWN BY A PEOPLE WHICH TAKES UP ARMS TO DEFEND ITS RIGHT TO LIFE, TO PROGRESS, TO WORK AND TO HAPPINESS."
AMILCAR LOPES CABRAL (AKA) ABEL DJHASSI.

THIS WAS MADE VERY CLEAR BY AMILCAR CABRAL. LEST WE FORGET!

WHEN CRISPUS ATTUCKS & PATRICK HENRY PICKED UP ARMS AGAINST BRITISH COLONIALISM WHO WAS IN THAT DAY IMPERIALISTIC.THEY ARE CALLED HEROES. CRISPUS ATTUCKS THE FIRST MAN TO FALL IN THE BOSTON MASSACRE WAS AN AFRICAN. (A BLACKMAN)

WE HONOR THEM FOR THEIR DUTY TO FREEDOM.
SHOULD IT BE ANY LESS FOR AMILCAR CABRAL?

IT SEEMS LIKE SO MANY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH AFRICA OR BEING CALLED AFRICANS. TO BE MORE DESCRIPTIVE I WILL SAY DARKSKIN(BLACK). FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE THIS PHOBIA ABOUT AFRICA OR THE COLOR OF DARKNESS (BLACKNESS).

RACIST PEOPLE ARE SO EASY TO BE OFFENDED.

THATS YOUR PROBLEM,NOT OURS. THINK ABOUT IT.

IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT THE HINDUS CLAIM THERE ARE POTENTIALLY AS MANY GODS AS HUMAN BEINGS. THE PROBLEM IS THERE ARE POTENTIALLY AS MANY DEVILS TOO. Rolling Eyes

AT THIS MOMENT IN LIFE MY CONCERN AND THE CONCERN OF OUR PEOPLE IN CABO VERDE IS TO WORK FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF CABO VERDE AND TO CREATE JOBS TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE AND TO BUILD HOSPITALS AND TRANSPORTATION FROM ISLAND TO ISLAND AND TO BRING THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE FOR A HEALTHY COUNTRY. WE HAVE MUCH WORK TO DO IN THE RECONSTRUCTION FOR A NEW SOCIETY. WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR FRIVOLOUS TALK OR JUST IDEAS IN SOMEBODY HEAD.WE IN CABO VERDE HAVE OUR OWN HEADS TO THINK WITH Smile

.

THOSE WHO WANT TO MAKE PROBLEMS, WE DON'T NEED IT,WE WANT PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS.

IT IS SO EASY FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY TO SAY WHAT IS NOT RIGHT,WE LIVE GOOD IN THE UNITED STATES,FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO HELP, GO BACK TO CABO VERDE AND MAKE THE SCARIFICE IN OUR NEW DEMOCRACY TO BUILD A NEW NATION.

THIS IS A JOB FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO BUILD A GREAT NATION UNITED FOR PEACE,HARMONY AND GOOD WILL TO ALL. FOR THOSE WHO WILL NOT RETURN MAKE A DONATION TO YOUR ISLAND OF CHOICE AND HELP SOME FAMILY OF NEED. SO MANY WONDERFUL CABOVERDIANOS ARE DOING JUST THAT.

MAY ALL OF YOU HAVE A GOOD LIFE AND GOOD HEALTH AND ENJOY HAPPINESS.
WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW SOCIOLOGY BASED UPON OUR REALITIES AND ACTUALITIES.IF YOU HAVE SOME NEW IDEAS BRING THEM TO CABO VERDE OR TO GUINEA OR TO PORTUGAL LET SEE IF THE PEOPLE WILL ACCEPT IT OR REJECT IT.
WITH LOVE & MORABEZA.

THE ENGINEER (CABRAL) SAID:"WE MUST CONSTANTLY GO FORWARD TO PUT THE POWER INTO THE HANDS OF OUR PEOPLE,TO MAKE A PROFOUND CHANGE IN THE LIFE OF OUR PEOPLE,EVEN TO PUT ALL THE MEANS FOR DEFENCE INTO THE HANDS OF OUR PEOPLE,SO THAT IT IS OUR PEOPLE WHO DEFEND OUR REVOLUTION.THIS IS WHAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY WILL BE IN FACT TOMORROW IN OUR LAND.WE MUST NOT DECEIVE THE PEOPLE WITH FINE WORDS,WITH FALSE PROMISES.WE MUST TELL THEM FRANKLY THE DIFFICUTIES."

VIVA POVO CABO VERDE
VIVA POVO AFRICA.

A DESCENDANT OF CABO VERDE & GUINEA ANCESTRY,FROM THE SOBRADOS DA ILHA DO FOGO E BRAVA.

MANU SALAH

St_antao · Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 636 Location: FR

salah,

you made clear the fact that you were figthing against facism and not against portugal. The facist dictator salazar, was oppressing the portuguese and their colonies. People were scared to talk and tell their opinions in portugal as well.

Now, what I don't accept is that you promote that african philosofie is better than the european one. If you read your post again, you will see that you are promoting the african philosofy just as if it was something more special than chinese or european philosophie. This is very close to propaganda.

One last question, are you cape-verdean? are you of guinean ancestry as amilcar cabral? why do you have an africanised arabic name "Salah"?

Kakau · Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 324

St_antao wrote:

salah,

chinese or european philosophie. This is very close to propaganda.

One last question, are you cape-verdean? are you of guinean ancestry as amilcar cabral? why do you have an africanised arabic name "Salah"?

Ninety Nine percent of Cape Verdeans are of guinean ancestry, st_antao. Do your homework!

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 585

Kakau wrote:

St_antao wrote:

salah,

chinese or european philosophie. This is very close to propaganda.

One last question, are you cape-verdean? are you of guinean ancestry as amilcar cabral? why do you have an africanised arabic name "Salah"?

Ninety Nine percent of Cape Verdeans are of guinean ancestry, st_antao. Do your homework!

THANK YOU KAKAU.

YOU WILL ALSO SEE THE NAME SELAH THE E AND THE A ARE INTERCHANGEABLE.
IN THE BIBLE BOOK OF PSALMS YOU WILL ALSO SEE THAT NAME.
ARAMAIC-AFRICAN-ARABA INTO CUSHITE ETHIOPIA EGYPTOLOGY

MANU SALAH

THEY BOTH MEAN PEACE

St_antao · Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 636 Location: FR

salah,

I know the meaning of sala...the arabs tell very often "salahm alikoum", so I know that it is a semitic(jewish and arabic languages) origin word. Due to the spread of islam, there is a lot of sub-saharan-africans who have this kind of names. Do you have black african origins? Did you know that your name was an arabic name and not an african one? Why did you choose to change your name to "Salah"?

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 585

St_antao wrote:

salah,

I know the meaning of sala...the arabs tell very often "salahm alikoum", so I know that it is a semitic(jewish and arabic languages) origin word. Due to the spread of islam, there is a lot of sub-saharan-africans who have this kind of names. Do you have black african origins? Did you know that your name was an arabic name and not an african one? Why did you choose to change your name to "Salah"?

SO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?

GET A LIFE,GET REAL.

WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE IN CABO VERDE?

READ THE BOOK;WONDERFUL ETHIOPIANS OF THE ANCIENT CUSHITE EMPIRE. BY DRUSILLA DUNJEE HOUSTON

TIME BRINGS ABOUT A CHANGE.

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF ONES ORIGIN IS BLACK OR WHITE
WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

WE THINK YOUR COLOR STRUCK BY THE WAY YOU WRITE. : Confused

MANU SALAH

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 585

St_antao wrote:

manu,

I got plenty of questions on which, I think you are lying, or telling half truths.

But first let's go trough the rebelados questions, again the rebelados were around 100 persons (just like the 100 cv who went to figth in guinea-bissau). Now, being more precise about rebelados, where you lie, the rebelados were catholic extremist you get revolted against the will of the central portuguese government to modify the way the mass was done in the churches. They rebeled because they wanted to keep the cv-catholicism how it was. The rabelados were persecuted by the Salazar regime for insisting on following their own, peculiar, Christian beliefs.
The Portuguese, dissatisfied with the secular life style of the local priests, sent a new contingent of modern priests. They brought cars, motorbikes, and wore white. The rabelados thought this secular style offensive, as Jesus preached simplicity. They refused to go to mass, and continued to listen to the "old" fashioned priests. The rebelados were not against Portugal.

About the misgenation and the killing of the portuguese, you are lying again. The portuguese did misgenation in macao, cabo-verde, sao-tome, goa, mallaca. They did this by marriage with the locals because they didn't bring womans with them. Talking about killing and rapes you are confused with the nazi-anglo-saxons who killed and rape the negros. The portuguese married with local womans in macao, goa, mallaca and married with african womans in cv and sao-tome. The litterature is full of articles to acknowlege this facts.

again, I am strongly against your lies about africa. In africa, the north africans are arabo-berbers and the sub-saharan africans are negroid. They are completly separated civilisations and if you say that they are the same, then you are a lier (or an ignorant). The north-africains introduced their religion (islam) and their alphabet (arabic) and their arab names (muhamad, salim, salah) in sub-saharan africa. They were colonising sub-saharan africa and buying slaves there.
I disrespect you because you are claiming proudly to be from africa and you don't know africa. You are proud of having an african name, salah, but sorry this name is not more african than john, salah is an arabic name introduced by the arobo-berbers from north-africa who were in sub-saharian africa to buy their slaves.

I will end this post with something that should by a revelation for you, and make you understand that rebelados and the 100-cv revolutionaries of guinea bissau where not figthing portugal. If you analyse well the situation you will understand that they were figthing the facist governement of salazar, not portugal. Even the people of mainland portugal, fougth against the fascist governement of salazar. Some dishonest persons in cape-verde, convinced other cape-verdeans that Portugal was their ennemies but in fact their ennemies was the fascist governement of salazar that was opressing cape-verdeans as well as it was oppressing mainland portugal. Yes the last 30 have been based on lies.

YOUR THINKING IS OFF BASE,YOU NEED TO GET YOUR SPINE REALIGNED. EVERYBODY IS A LIAR WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU.

THE TRUTH IS HARD TO TAKE WHEN YOU FIND OUT YOU HAVE BEEN HOODWINKED BY YOUR OWN. WE LOVE YOU JUST THE SAME. THAT IS THE WAY OF CHRIST.

READ THE bOOK: THE STORY OF THE OF THE MOORS IN SPAIN,
BY STANLEY LANE- POOLE

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 585

St_antao wrote:

Dear salha mattheus,

I really think that you are lying to cape-verdeans about their culture and identity. It seems to me that you go around talking about ijiza or whatever you call cape-verde but you are never in front of someone to do the contradiction of your pseudo-philosophy (despite all the respect you deserve), I am not here to be your friend. I have noticed several points that you are lying about and I want to bring in my point of view.

1) capeverdeans wanted to be independent from portugal? that's completly wrong, it is a lie, cape-verdeans wanted to stay with portugal and there was never any kind of revolt against portugal in cv soil. The 100-revolutionaires had to go to guinea-bissau.

2)CV has its basis in slavery untill the 19th century? again it is wrong, a lie. Cape-verde received thousands if not millions of slaves in it soil but these slaves were in cv in a temporary basis, they were sent in their majority to the americas. Most pseudo-intellectual try to write about slavery in cape-verde allways forgot to stress the point that 99% of the slaves that went to cape-verde were there in a temporary basis on their way to the americas. Then, the inflence of slavery in cape-verde is not as important as these intellectuals tell in their books. For example in the 18th century there was around 10% of the cv population that was slaves, which shows that it was a marginal phenomenon. This information is easy to find just go in a library (in portuguese archives for example).

3) you talk about africa as a block. again it is a lie. There is 4 different kind of civilisations in africa, the blacks-negroid sub-saharians, the arabo berbers in north africa, the indo-creole islands in the east of south africa, the ibero-islands in the north of africa (cape-verde is part of the ibero-islands).
Where I totally disagree with you, is when you mix arabo-berbers civilisation and black-negroid civilisations. The arabo-berbers are a white people, and if they are not white, then the greeks, the portuguese, the spanish or italians are not white too.
Another point is you lack of honesty concerning black-negroid sub-saharan africans. You allways talk about great achievements they did, but most of the time it wrong, because what you identify as a black-african sub-saharian cultural point, is the result of the influence of the arabo-berber who brougth to black-negroid sub-saharans africans their religion (islam), their alphabet (arabic), and even their arabic names. This phenomenon is not different from the european colonialism. Maybe you will be surprised to learn that the name that you choosed "sahla" is an arabic name brougth in sub-saharan africa by the arabo-berbers while their where converting blacks to islams and buying slaves. Why did you choose an arabic name to put emphasis in the fact that you identify with sub-saharan africa, that's ridiculious, the arabs were colonisers of africa as well.

4) your lies about sub-saharan african civilisation. As far as I know the arabo-berbers peoples and the black-negroid sub-saharan africans, are two different civilisations. The egyptians were arabo-berbers and therefore are not part of the sub-saharan civilisation as you try to say in your posts. Another point is the level of enligthment of the proper black-negroid civilisations. You pretend that they were in a very advanced level of civilisation...From an objective point of view, I would tell that they were as advanced as the european celtic tribes were when the roman empire civilised the north of europe. Therefore not very advance and just at a tribal level of organisation.

Why do you want so much to be linked with sub-saharan africa? Maybe it is just an emulation of the phenomenon you described about the afro-americans who now try to link themselves with africa, you are emulating them, maybe it means that your indentity is sliding generation after generation and that you are becoming afro-americans and not anymore cape-verdeans. You are using the same rethorics than the afro-americans which means that inconsciently you are becoming afro-americans loosing your cape-verdeaness...

YOU ASK WHY I WANT SO MUCH TO BE LINKED WITH SUB-SAHARAN.

WE ARE THE LINK TO AFRICA THE MOTHER OF CIVILIZATION,WE THE AFRICAN THAT IS THE WHOLE CONTINENT GAVE BIRTH AND GLORY TO THE WORLD.
THE QUESTION WAS ONCE ASKED WHO IS THE ORIGINAL MAN?

THE ANSWER IS: THE ASIATIC BLACK MAN OWNER AND MAKER FATHER & MOTHER OF THE UNIVERSE AND KING & DEUS OF THE PLANET EARTH.

IT IS THE AFRO-ASIAN CULTURE FROM THE SUMERIANS,BABYLONIANS,AND ETHIOPIAN WHO WERE ALL BLACK PEOPLE OR DARKSKIN PEOPLE THAT CONTRIBUTED MUCH TO THE ADVANCEMENT OF CIVILIZATION FOR ALL HUMANITY.

THE MOST FAMOUS OF THE BABYLONIANS KINGS WAS HAMMURABI,WHO RULED ABOUT 2150 B.C. HE WAS OUTSTANDING FOR HIS CODIFICATION OF A SYSTEM OF LAWS FOUNDED ON RETALIATION AS THE PUNITIVE MEASURE FOR CRIME. HE ALSO ESTABLISHED A SEVEN-DAY WEEK,WITH THE LAST DAY A REST OR SABBATH. THIS IDEA WAS ADOPTED BY THE HEBREWS AND THEN TRANSMITTED TO THE GREEKS,ROMANS AND OTHER EUROPEANS.

JUST A SMALL EYE OPEN FOR YOU.THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED CANAANITES WERE ALSO AFRICANS THEY LOOK LIKE THE PEOPLE OF THE SUDAN. THE SIDONIANS AND THE TYRIANS AND THE PHOENICIA ALL BLACK BLUE PEOPLE OTHERS WERE DARK BROWN AND SOME WERE OF THE ASIAN HUE BUT THEY WERE NONE OF THEM CAUCASION OR WHITE OR EUROPEAN. THESE BLACL PEOPLE WERE PROFICIENT IN PHILOSOPHY,ASTRONOMY,GEOMETRY,ARITHMETIC,AND NAVIGATION.

THEY WENT TO DISTANTS LANDS SUCH AS CYPRUS,SARDINA,CRETE,RHODES,CADIZ(IN SPAIN), SICILY,CATHAGE (IN NORTH AFRICA NEAR TUNIS),TANGIER,OPHIR AND THE CANARY ISLES. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE THAT PRAYED ON THE ISLANDS OF AZIJAH TODAY CALLED CABO VERDE. THESE MEN AND WOMAN LOOK LIKE THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF CABO VERDE AND THE SECOND PRESIDENT OF CABO VERDE,AND THE PRIME MINISTER NEVES AND THE CONSULATE GENERAL WHO IS A BEAUTIFUL AFRICAN WOMAN NAME MARIE JESUS.

AZIJAH MEANS THE THE MIGHTY AND PRECIOUS THAT IS WHAT IT WAS CALLED UNTIL SOME PEOPLE OF LOWER EUROPE SAW HOW BEAUTIFUL THOSE ISLANDS WERE AND HOW GREE IT WAS THEY CALLED CABO VERDE MEANING THE GREEN PLACE. BUT OF COURSE THE EUROPEANS GOING FUTHER BACK THEN THE VIKINGS RAPE THE LAND,BY CUTTING DOWN THE TREES TO MAKE SHIPS AND CASTLES AND FORTS AND CATHEDRALS AND USED THE TREES AS FUEL.

NOW SINCE SOME FOLK WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ORIGINAL JEWS THE BLACK JEWISH EMPIRE OF ETHIOPIA AND SUDAN AND THE EMPIRE OF GHANA. HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE FALASHAN JEWS?

JESUS WAS A JEW AND IF YOU WERE TO SEE HIM TODAY HE WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A NEGRO. SO WAS MUSA(MOSES)

YES I AM OF THE AFRICAN STOCK OF THE NEGRO BANTU.

LOVE TO ALL MALICE TOWARDS NONE.

KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE. Surprised

MANU SALAH

LOVE YOU.

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 585

St_antao wrote:

Jose,

I am from france. The algerians and algerian born french are several millions (between 2 and 3 million). The berbers are not only in algeria, there is berbers in marroco and tunesia. Basically, the berbers are the native people from north africa, and the arabs conquered north africa in the 8th century, and now north africa is a mix of arabs and berbers. In france, north africa is called, "l'afrique blanche" which means white-africa. North africa is a completely different civilisation compared to the sub-saharian africa.
A french men doesn't do the difference between an arab and a berber. I don't do the difference as well. Even if it is easy to see the difference, as the berbers are similar to italians (for example Zidane).

Concerning immigrants in france. For sure a french born algerian or senegalese, is better treated than an immigrant from former yougoslavia. In contrast, I think, that in america, a white is allways treated better than a black no matter is americaness. Also, in france, immigrants from roumenia who are white are not treated very well...which shows that the color of skin is not allways that relevant. In 1892 and 1894 there was several riots of racist-frenchs against the italian immigrants, who in that time were already 700,000.

Concerning the fact that my tougth can't be defended by whites, that's a fact. But, if you think again, we don't have to ask permission to the whites. My philosophy is that our culture is not negociable, it would be ridiculous to have to ask to the whites if you have the rigth to be who you are. The whites are human beings like the others and they don't have the rigth to make choices for us just because we are mixed. I don't have complexes with them, and don't need their permission for whatever I do or think.

I hope my opinions are clear