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Anonim.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:47 pm    Post subject: Why Do We Force Things? Reply with quote


Why do cape verdeans think certain things are worse than they really are and the are so quick 2 judge. Like, we will forever act like aids is a death sentence and talk about anyone who has it and make them feel guilty. And if someone is involved in gangs and drugs we act like they're the worst people on earth.

Why is it they feel women shouldn't hang out with boys or should act a certain way; and if you're a lady and not scared to express yourself your a 'puta" or a "arguen botadu". Why is that? These Cape Verdean parents need to realize we aint in Cape Verde any more. We are in America. Question Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because many of us are ignorant and closed minded. But worst, many of us are afraid to accept what's not traditional, to embrace or live along with diversity of thoughts and difference of opinions and life style without pointing fingers. And that's why we have so much generational crisis among our people.

My brothers and sisters, it's time to move on and acept the age of enlightment or we will find ourselves lost in the train of changes.

Progress, Progress, Progress: this is what America and people that live here is all about.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess one of the answers would be that they're just trying to transmit what they think are better values. Indeed how can one likens gang life, prostitution, drug dealing, street life and "thuggery", to progress?

I guess they see kids droping out of schools, compromising their future and they try to prevent those kids from being thugs by giving them what they think are good advices, by cajoling them, things you'll most probably do with your own kids when you'll be able to reason as a parent and not as a rebel.

And by the way, don't get things mixed up: Progress does not mean street life, drug dealing, etc. It means improvement, advancement of the human being and last time I checked that kind of life you seem to preach is a backward step.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Do We Force Things? Reply with quote

Anonimous wrote:
Why do cape verdeans think certain things are worse than they really are and the are so quick 2 judge. Like, we will forever act like aids is a death sentence and talk about anyone who has it and make them feel guilty. And if someone is involved in gangs and drugs we act like they're the worst people on earth.

Why is it they feel women shouldn't hang out with boys or should act a certain way; and if you're a lady and not scared to express yourself your a 'puta" or a "arguen botadu". Why is that? These Cape Verdean parents need to realize we aint in Cape Verde any more. We are in America. Question Confused



To the anonymous person in regards to your question.
Why Do We Force Things?

It is not only Caboverdianos who think this way. It is a human fraility.
This same question could be asked to any one of any nationality.

Let us explore why this happens among some Caboverdianos,not all CV families have this idea. We would think that much of it would have to
do with education or the lack of education.

The other side of this is that Caboverde immigrant families for most part
have strong values of discipline and many from the old school are very dictorial and one can understand that we were fed this kind of thinking for more then 500 years and we also came under strong influence of religious dictatorial policy. When children were not obedeint we were hashly dealt with.That was not correct but that was the way it was.
Guilt is how it was back then and even today. Your a sinner you will not go to heaven (bo e pecado e demone ke tein nabo) some thing like that.

The youth in now have different ideas from their parents in terms of freedom of expression and behavior. This does not mean that the young people are always right just as the parents may not be right.

We live in a complex society. We should also know that there are positive and negative behavior. America also has it's problems there is disorder and a psychotic chatracter that we begin to think we can do what ever we like and this brings a clash between the parents and the children. I am not a psychiatrist. Therfore I would hope those who are trained in this vocation of medicine and health would come to the aid of our people who are having this problem.

Just because we are in America does not give us the right to be dysfunctional. We need to have expert counseling to over come this problem. Parents should find the proper health agency to help us with this problem. We should not be involved in gangs and in drugs and what leads to a life of crime and death.

Many times it is the parents who also have a problem, a drinking problem. Some of us need to go too A.A meeting that is Alcoholics Anonymousor Al-Anon family groups. We need to seek help from the people who are qualified. We love you and we want that you will have a good life here in the USA and in Cabo Verde etc.

Manu Salah
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Do We Force Things? Reply with quote

Anonimous wrote:
Why do cape verdeans think certain things are worse than they really are and the are so quick 2 judge. Like, we will forever act like aids is a death sentence and talk about anyone who has it and make them feel guilty. And if someone is involved in gangs and drugs we act like they're the worst people on earth.

Why is it they feel women shouldn't hang out with boys or should act a certain way; and if you're a lady and not scared to express yourself your a 'puta" or a "arguen botadu". Why is that? These Cape Verdean parents need to realize we aint in Cape Verde any more. We are in America. Question Confused



To the anonymous person in regards to your question.
Why Do We Force Things?

It is not only Caboverdianos who think this way. It is a human fraility.
This same question could be asked to any one of any nationality.

Let us explore why this happens among some Caboverdianos,not all CV families have this idea. We would think that much of it would have to
do with education or the lack of education.

The other side of this is that Caboverde immigrant families for most part
have strong values of discipline and many from the old school are very dictorial and one can understand that we were fed this kind of thinking for more then 500 years and we also came under strong influence of religious dictatorial policy. When children were not obedeint we were hashly dealt with.That was not correct but that was the way it was.
Guilt is how it was back then and even today. Your a sinner you will not go to heaven (bo e pecado e demone ke tein nabo) some thing like that.

The youth in now have different ideas from their parents in terms of freedom of expression and behavior. This does not mean that the young people are always right just as the parents may not be right.

We live in a complex society. We should also know that there are positive and negative behavior. America also has it's problems there is disorder and a psychotic chatracter that we begin to think we can do what ever we like and this brings a clash between the parents and the children. I am not a psychiatrist. Therfore I would hope those who are trained in this vocation of medicine and health would come to the aid of our people who are having this problem.

Just because we are in America does not give us the right to be dysfunctional. We need to have expert counseling to over come this problem. Parents should find the proper health agency to help us with this problem. We should not be involved in gangs and in drugs and what leads to a life of crime and death.

Many times it is the parents who also have a problem, a drinking problem. Some of us need to go too A.A meeting that is Alcoholics Anonymousor Al-Anon family groups. We need to seek help from the people who are qualified. We love you and we want that you will have a good life here in the USA and in Cabo Verde and any place in the world you live.

Manu Salah
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cabrala
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Lu. This things that happens have some to do with concept of values!

Everybody wants success for themselves and their loved ones. The question is how can you help somebody be successful. Kids even when they don't seem to care about what is important, they want to be successful in life.

Again the question remains, how to be successful!

Our own concept of values.

Our immigrant parents had the life that they had, with that, they created their own notion of right and wrong as well as how they can do to become successful. In Cape verde you know is work work and work. There is nothing wrong with working but when it is only working than it is wrong. Many parents do not spend quality time with their kids, hoping that because they are working so hard will do it. Wrong!

We know that society in Cape Verde is "Machista" and men are allowed to do anything they want, and it is ok, while women are expected to behave certain way (shy, not express herself, female manners, listen more than say, do not have boyfriend untill the age of marriage, etc,) Man who are considered successful are the ones who had at least more than one girlfriend, drink, rebelious, etc.

What a contradiction, ah!

I do not want to generalize because things have changed alot the other way around, but older people still keep this current.

Kids on the other end came to this country early or were born here and got in touch with new values, new culture that does not mean everything is best, but that reinforce the idea of self-sufficiency, independency, indvidualism, and those are prohibited words for kids in the old country.

While you have young kids you're ok as a parent, but as soon as you get into the adolescent years, your fight got started.

Fight doesn't have to be open. As Psichologist Freud said, you can fight against yourself or you can express it against others. What it is evident is that in some way kids tend to go agains the old notion of values of their parents, and in many cases they harm themselves by doing what is absolutely wrong.

But, as parents we need to be more connected with our kids, support them in times of frustrations because they have their own frustrations everyday just like when we go to work. At the same time we need to learn the limits and set them for our kids. If we don't do that early enough, it is a signature for divorce with our kids when they grow.

I think parents need to teach their kids and learn with their kids, because many parents because of language barriers do not have many alternatives to catch up to integrate and interact with the new world as quick as their kids do.

cabrala
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Apology Reply with quote

We are becomming a society of apologetics. I do not apologize for the behavior of other people. iI given the opportunity to conform to societal norms and they choose not to, then we should just let them be. So what were Cape Verdeans or anyone else fed for 500 years, Salah?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Apology Reply with quote

vagabundo wrote:
we are becomming a society of apologetics. i do not apologize for the behavior of people. if given the opportunity to conform to societal norms and they choose not to, then we should just let them be. So what was cape verdeans or anyone else fed for 500 years Salah


Have you forgotten your History?
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Why Do We Force Things? Reply with quote

Anonimous wrote:
Why do cape verdeans think certain things are worse than they really are and the are so quick 2 judge. Like, we will forever act like aids is a death sentence and talk about anyone who has it and make them feel guilty. And if someone is involved in gangs and drugs we act like they're the worst people on earth.

Why is it they feel women shouldn't hang out with boys or should act a certain way; and if you're a lady and not scared to express yourself your a 'puta" or a "arguen botadu". Why is that? These Cape Verdean parents need to realize we aint in Cape Verde any more. We are in America. Question Confused


So does that mean you can act like a savage because you are in America
forget your good bringing up from Cabo verde and act uncivilized.

You think being in a gang and doing drugs and shaking your ass all over the place like a puta is ok? They might not be the worse people but next to it. Think!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cabrala wrote:
I agree with Lu. This things that happens have some to do with concept of values!

Everybody wants success for themselves and their loved ones. The question is how can you help somebody be successful. Kids even when they don't seem to care about what is important, they want to be successful in life.

Again the question remains, how to be successful!

Our own concept of values.

Our immigrant parents had the life that they had, with that, they created their own notion of right and wrong as well as how they can do to become successful. In Cape verde you know is work work and work. There is nothing wrong with working but when it is only working than it is wrong. Many parents do not spend quality time with their kids, hoping that because they are working so hard will do it. Wrong!

We know that society in Cape Verde is "Machista" and men are allowed to do anything they want, and it is ok, while women are expected to behave certain way (shy, not express herself, female manners, listen more than say, do not have boyfriend untill the age of marriage, etc,) Man who are considered successful are the ones who had at least more than one girlfriend, drink, rebelious, etc.

What a contradiction, ah!

I do not want to generalize because things have changed alot the other way around, but older people still keep this current.

Kids on the other end came to this country early or were born here and got in touch with new values, new culture that does not mean everything is best, but that reinforce the idea of self-sufficiency, independency, indvidualism, and those are prohibited words for kids in the old country.

While you have young kids you're ok as a parent, but as soon as you get into the adolescent years, your fight got started.

Fight doesn't have to be open. As Psichologist Freud said, you can fight against yourself or you can express it against others. What it is evident is that in some way kids tend to go agains the old notion of values of their parents, and in many cases they harm themselves by doing what is absolutely wrong.

But, as parents we need to be more connected with our kids, support them in times of frustrations because they have their own frustrations everyday just like when we go to work. At the same time we need to learn the limits and set them for our kids. If we don't do that early enough, it is a signature for divorce with our kids when they grow.

I think parents need to teach their kids and learn with their kids, because many parents because of language barriers do not have many alternatives to catch up to integrate and interact with the new world as quick as their kids do.

cabrala



Perhaps if we had a culture center with spirituality where kids can go and learn about their history and how to really appreciate our culture and not just drinking and druging and to learn good character since we are far removed from the true culture of Cabo verde things might be better.
Perhaps if we had such a place in which parents and children could go to learn how to make the adjustment we might be better off you ever think about that Mr Cabrala. The church could do more but they are so far removed from the reality of facts and reality. A big building do nothing positve except pontificating the same hum drum over and over.
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: Apology Reply with quote

vagabundo wrote:
We are becomming a society of apologetics. I do not apologize for the behavior of other people. iI given the opportunity to conform to societal norms and they choose not to, then we should just let them be. So what were Cape Verdeans or anyone else fed for 500 years, Salah?


That is a good question you ask of me. If you don't know the history of colonialism and the enslavement and abuse of what took place in Cabo verde,I only suggest you make inquiries from the people who brought about the liberation of Cabo Verde and the independence of Cabo Verde.

Why did we fight and have a struggle for independence. Read some of Amilcar Cabral books and many more books that have been written on the subject. also there is (The Fortunate Isles A study in African transformation) By Basil Davidson. (Unity & Struggle) By Amilcar cabral
(Return To The Source) By Amilcar cabral.
There is also books that are written by Dr. Richard lobban and other authors.Those are in English.

If you read Portugese there are many more deep and profound history on what was done in Cabo Verde. If you really want to know you must read and inform yourself on the subject. The Boston Public Library at Copley Square is the best place to begin your enlightenment process,It does not cost anything just pay your bus fare to get there and while you are there stop into the Cabo Verde Consul General office and ask this same question you ask me,it is across the street from the library at 607 Boylston Street on the 4 floor. Enjoy the journey my friend.
No apology necessary.

My after thought; just let them be you say.
Ok vagabondu but we have an old saying: An ounce of cure is worth a pound of prevention. There is also another one, those who spit up to the sky get spit back in the face.
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anonim.
AIDS IS a death sentence! Where have you been??
Being involved with gangs IS a death sentence because
you may be killed by others, as we have seen in our
community. Accepting these things is not PROGRESS.
It's unfortunate that we equate being American
or being "modern" with risky behavior that lead
to poverty and to health and mental illness.
Why don't we look at Americans who are living well
as a sign of progress? Do not try to normalize this.
As far as girls are concerned, they don't have to do
what these boys are doing in order to feel they are equal
to them. So, please, don't minimize being infected with AIDS
or being involved in drugs and gangs. Only a minority lives
like this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Apology Reply with quote

Manu Salah wrote:
vagabundo wrote:
We are becomming a society of apologetics. I do not apologize for the behavior of other people. iI given the opportunity to conform to societal norms and they choose not to, then we should just let them be. So what were Cape Verdeans or anyone else fed for 500 years, Salah?


That is a good question you ask of me. If you don't know the history of colonialism and the enslavement and abuse of what took place in Cabo verde,I only suggest you make inquiries from the people who brought about the liberation of Cabo Verde and the independence of Cabo Verde.

Why did we fight and have a struggle for independence. Read some of Amilcar Cabral books and many more books that have been written on the subject. also there is (The Fortunate Isles A study in African transformation) By Basil Davidson. (Unity & Struggle) By Amilcar cabral
(Return To The Source) By Amilcar cabral.
There is also books that are written by Dr. Richard lobban and other authors.Those are in English.

If you read Portugese there are many more deep and profound history on what was done in Cabo Verde. If you really want to know you must read and inform yourself on the subject. The Boston Public Library at Copley Square is the best place to begin your enlightenment process,It does not cost anything just pay your bus fare to get there and while you are there stop into the Cabo Verde Consul General office and ask this same question you ask me,it is across the street from the library at 607 Boylston Street on the 4 floor. Enjoy the journey my friend.
No apology necessary.

My after thought; just let them be you say.
Ok vagabondu but we have an old saying: An ounce of cure is worth a pound of prevention. There is also another one, those who spit up to the sky get spit back in the face.


Sorry I must make correction: It is an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I DON'T
YOU DON'T
HE DOESN'T

but

THEY DO
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Anonymous wrote:
I DON'T
YOU DON'T
HE DOESN'T

but

THEY DO


Who is they?
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