Caetano,
you are actually disagreeing with Sapo. he said he considers
himself Black (although he looks white) and that he is African.
You on the other hand, are using stereotypes that are very
racist in nature. As a Cape Verdean, at some point in my
life I had to "kutxi midju" in order to eat and survive. I don't
think MPD as a political party subscribes to your racist
and xenophobic views. You're giving the party a bad name.

Now that some people have had fun with many ludicrous comments.
Perhaps you can get the forum back on track. My suggestion you delete some of the comments that are offensive and debase some people's character. Some people have become demagogic.....
Name calling and threats are not called for.

Dear Unknown Quantity,
You are right. Double consciousness is a state of confusion.
The quote below is the source of the term and it is by the great
African-American scholar W.E.B. DuBois and I believe it speaks to the
issue that is being discussed in this forum:

"After the Egyptian and Indian, the Greek and Roman,
the Teuton and Mongolian, the Negro is a sort of seventh son,
born with a veil, and gifted with second-sight in this
American world,--a world which yields him no
true self-consciousness, but only lets him see himself through
the revelation of the other world. It is a peculiar sensation,
this double-consciousness, this sense of always looking at
one's self through the eyes of others, of measuring one's
soul by the tape of a world that looks on in amused contempt
and pity. One ever feels his twoness,--an American, a Negro;
two warring souls, two thoughts, two unreconciled strivings;
two warring ideals in one dark body, whose dogged strength
alone keeps it from being torn asunder"

What a beautiful quote.

Thanks Mr. Double consciousness.

This is the legacy that we don't want to leave to our children in this Land.

We want to let them a real true consciousness of who they are. So they don't have to look at their skin color in order to decide which category of human being they are, or do not have to wait for others to decide who they are, or do not have to hide behind their mixed skin color to switch back and forth (black vs white) when to present themselves as a person.

"CAPEVERDEAN" IS THE BEST SINTHESIS OF THE UNION BETWEEN THE PEOPLE OF EUROPE , AFRICA, ASIA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD.

WE ARE THE FIRST IN THIS, LET'S BE PROUD OF IT.

If they are forced to decide which category or group of human being they are, let them be Capeverdean.

Cabrala

Dear Sapo,
I was not the one to urge you to "finish" your sentence.
I have faith in all of us, in our capacity to look beyond
political ideology and see Cabral as someone worthy
of our respect and admiration. After all, he is admired
all over the world, studied by the greatest scholars,
and recognized as one of the greatest theorists of his
time. So, no, I knew that, in spite of divergent political
views among us, we can put them aside and hold on to
a legacy that continues to put Cape Verde in the spotlight
and make us proud to be Cape Verdean.

Cabrala, I'm glad you liked the quote and I appreciate
your interpretation of it.

Dear Brother,

Nice to see that we agree on this matter. I am sure we have more things in common than the contrary. Also I was pleased to discover that we both share the same interest and follow identical path.

New Hampshire and Maine are my favorite places where I can go to find some rest and inner peace. I draw a lot energy from the mountains, water, and trees and I felt connected when you said you always go to NH to swim in the Lake.

I don't have a Zen Master that I follow and I haven't attended any class yet, but 1/2 of my library is about meditation, enlightment, and searching for the truth. I am a very spiritual person!

I truly believe this forum is a point of contact that can be very interesting to a lot people. It only helps us converge to the same point, even though following different paths.

I hope our path will come to cross in the future to make our discussions more interesting. I think everyone is making a positive contribution to this forum and we all are ripping its benefit!

Keep sharing with us your wisdom. After all we all have to learn how to agree and disagree, and above all in the cape-verdian way...

All the best to you.
Peace and Harmony to all!

Mr. professor Kan.


I do my homework before I say something. You may be happy that somebody is doing your homework for you, and that is offuscating you from understanding the problem.

Sapo is right on what he said and that's why I agreed with him. If that was not the case I would have said no, and continue with my point of view. It seems that you need to do your homework yourself and not just praise niceties of people who does it for you. It was good that Sapo brought the quote, but then what?

Races were "originaly" and that is the k word, according to the quote but that has nothing to do with how it was treated in the United States.

There is nothing scientific that explain races or difference of color to determine the difference between people. There is a great debate going on now and there is nothing yet clear to explain how much of an environment influence and how much of a nature influence ( read nature versus nature of (Nancy Seagal - Psychology of Human difference) as why people have different color, personality, traits, physical appearence etc.

There is a concensus tha people were originally from africa and there are evidences to prove that, but it is still a theory.

People moved from Africa to Europe about millions of years ago and because of climatic influence the color of their skin changed, the hair over their body changed, etc. According to scientific data, people with dark color have different kinds of dermatologic composition but that is just to explain their adaptation to the region where they originally came from (Africa). Dark color is more resistant to heat, transpiration, and less prone to the deseases caused by the UV ray that causes skin cancer. That means that white pepole is less resistant to the sun UV-ray than black people, or black people is less resistant to cold than white people. Isn't that enough reason to make us believe that those two groups of human being are fit for different region of the earth?

As far as the theory of race in america, there is nothing scientific about it. You may not know that, but race denomination in America is arbitrary.

You have to tell me that, there is only three race categories and capeverdeans don't have a race or ther should be more races in which mixed-race people fit in. If you say they are mixed race (metice) than they are not a race anyway, because you would need many types of mixed race because mixtrure is not only between white and black.

What about any mixed race between a white person and any other race? Do you have a name for them, or to you, according to the " One drop rule" they go to the other half race denomination no matter what color they are. Why not white instead? Aren't they in the middle anyway?

This is what is not scientific about race denomination in America and this is why it doesn't make sense to still follow that line of thought process.

The one drop rule was established by American Government- It is important to say that it is now abolished- thank God- during the legal segregation period only to serve Puritanistic interests. The purity of white race. Anything that mix with it is not pure anymore, therefore it takes the other half a 100%.

According to scientific theory, if you are born from two people you inherit half of your parents genes, color, other psychological and physiological traits with more or less one side or the other.

The "one drop rule" law does not exist but in reality it is applied in Practice because you're still black even if you're white of color but have black ancestry in your line of blood, whereas you're never white even if one of your parents is white.

Do you call that scientific, OK, reasonable, plausible or what?

So, Human being have no intereests in White versus Black dechotomy. There are nations of the world, there are cultures of the world, there are ethnicity that is the other word for cultural identity - not race, and there is difference between individual people.

For the same token, Capeverdeans are not interested in White versus black dechotomy. We pick Capeverdean either as ethnic Group or as nationality, but not race because we are a mixture of race, Profesasor.

If you do your homework too, you should understand what we are debating here.

Cabrala