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Nobel Guest
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: Is it Ok 2Carry on Hatred 4 Portuguese 4 What they Did 2 CV? |
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Many ethinicities have proven to be disliked and feared.Though some people are addicted to hate,(i.e.,they feel their self worth through hate)they always avoid being hurt.America,is hated and feared because of its geopolitical power,the jews have been hated and despised long before jesus christ walked this earth according to the bible.There have been victms of hate and perpetrators as well.I've always been a nationalist(i.e.,i've always been proud of my cape verdean heritage and valued my culture over all other cultures),though i'm of portuguese and african decent like 71%of the cape verdean population,i never wanted to do the portuguese any harm even though they neglected my ancestors badly.
I've noticed that the portuguese are disliked and under-estimated, especially among non-whites !
Should we hate anybody who never did us or our loved ones any harm ? |
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Kasakew Guest
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Hatred of portuguese |
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Have you ever wondered why merikanus pretos dislike and ridicule the Cape Verdeans so much? You know from firsthand experience. For example, you endured all kinds of ridicule and disrespect at the hands of merkanu pretos because of your portuguese ancestry.******
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Manu Salahudin de Azijah Guest
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject: HOW MANY TIMES WILL I FORGIVE,FOR I AM ALSO GUILTY. |
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NO MY DEAR FRIENDS LET US NOT GET INTO THE HATE GAME.
EVERY ONE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER HAS HAD SOME KIND OF BIAS OR PREJUDICE. WE ARE ALL GUILTY.
WE WON'T RESOLVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH HATE.
DO WE WANT THAT ALL CABOVERDIANOS SHOULD BE HATED BECAUSE SOME OF THEM SERVED IN AFRICA AS FOREMANS OR SUPERVISORS OR SOME KIND OF ADMINISTRATOR FOR PORTUGALS RACIST COLONIALIST REGIME? I DON'T THINK SO. TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.
OUR STRUGGLE WAS NOT AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF PORTUGAL IT WAS AGAINST THE DICTATORSHIP BY THE RICH AGAINST THE POOR EVEN POOR PEOPLE FROM PORTUGAL SUFFERERD UNDER THAT TYRANY.
IT ALSO HAPPEN WITH THE JEWS WHEN THE NAZI WAS IN POWER. SOME JEWS ELECTED TO SERVE THE NAZI PARTY AND BROUGHT SUFFEREING TO OTHER JEWS. SOME JEWS CAUSED CHRIST TO BE CRUCIFIED BY THE POSITION THEY TOOK AGAINST ONE OF THEIR OWN.
WE CAN GO DOWN THE LINE AND FIND THAT EVERY NATION OF PEOPLE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER HAS DONE SO.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO NOW IS TO OVER COME THIS IGNORANT STUPIDITY MANS IN HUMAN BEHAVIOR TOWARDS MAN.
WE ARE ALL GUILTY NO NOT ONE IS RIGHTEOUS WE HAVE ALL FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY AND THE LOVE OF EMANUEL AKA JESUS CHRIST.
WE SHOULD ALL BE IN ATONEMENT OF OUR MISDEEDS
LET US FIND THE LOVE OF JESUS. REPENT AND TURN GRIEF TO JOY. |
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Lu di Dulce
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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No, it is not OK to hate anybody. We all have a friend, cousin, brother, sister or any family member who had to suffer the appaling prejudices of racism. Therefore we should hate those who were racist toward us, right? OK, then we should understand how people from Guine Bissau, Dakar, Angola and other countries in Africa where we played the "toubab djahate" or litteraly dirty white, feel about us. And we really don't like it, do we?
Should we keep hating on the PAICV for some, or the MpD for others because they did to us what we did to those people in Sao Tome? Should the badios hate the sampadjudos because they've had special treatment for the longest time? Should the "Mandjacos" hate CV people because of the way we treat them? And should we hate the Portuguese for doing to us what we're doing, RIGHT NOW, to our brothers from the Continent or as most call them, MANDJACOS?
No, we should grow up and move onto better things. Better yet, we should finally get rid of the NAZI mentality that we're developing in CV.
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Lu di Dulce wrote: | played the "toubab djahate" or litteraly dirty white, feel about us. And we realy don't like it, do we?
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Is "toubab djahate" an African term for "house nigger"? If so, I guess that explains why Cape Verdeans are a despised people. I know it from personal experience. For example, sometimes people (especially some Americans) who don't know me from Adam feel compelled to insult and belittle me precisely because I'm Cape Verdean. If you live in America, particularly in New England, you know exactly what I'm talking about. |
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Lu di Dulce
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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You'get got it right. |
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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I had a hunch it meant the same thing. In any case, do you think the reason some continental Africans and American blacks dislike and redicule Cape Verdeans is because of the history and role of CVs in colonial Africa, or because of the cultural difference of CVs vis-a-vis them? |
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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One of it is because Cape Verdeans are racists to the core. They are racist against their own people and racists against other black people of people from Africa.
To illustrate, people from Fogo and Brava and Barlavento in general are stupidy racist towards people from Santiago.
Many Cape Verdeans are racist towards people from Guinea, Senegal and other West Africn countries.
Here in America, Cape Verdeans treat African Americans with a great degree of racism. You constatly here people from Fogo and Brava referring to those as "preto". What are you, stupid? |
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Mario Vaz, the people of Fogo and Brava are rediculed and disliked by American Blacks to the max. Even in college classrooms some American Black professors redicule them precisely for being Cape Verdean. I tell you this from personal experience. You see, it seems that when Black professors tell them that they're Black and nothing more they get a sick feeling in their stomach. Likewise, when they get locked up(arrested) they get listed as Black.
But then again, I wonder if the redicule that Cape Verdeans endure at the hand of American Blacks is unique to them. After all, the so called "yellow niggers" from here and other countries tell of the "injurias" and put downs. So I wonder if it's a universal thing.
What are your thoughts? |
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Lu di Dulce
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think the cultural differences has anything to do with that. Instead we should look at our own behaviour as an explanation. We have this strange "mania" of despising ANYTHING Black while we show the greatest respect to EVERYTHING White. We pride ourselves by pointing out our Portuguese< Italian and so on "ancestors" while we forget that our dark complexion has to come from somewhere in Africa. That's what I call slave mentality.
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Gosh, you took the world right out of my mouth. "Mania" is really the word I looking for. CVs have this near pathology of prizing their portuguese, italian ancestry and so forth, and downplaying our very obvious African ancestry that manifests itself in in the shape of our bodies(the protruding ass), our broad noses, prognathism, wolly hair, et cetera. And when the average American, Black or White, who has the "one drop" rule wired in his brain hears us proclaim to be anything other than Black, they become baffled. Hence, enter the American Black who's familiar with this "mania di branco" of ours, and feels compelled to redicule and put us down.
In any case, this "mania" is by no means unique to us. See, I don't know if you are aware of or not, but the Dominicans(from DR) are a thousand times worse than us when it comes to prizing their European ancestry and downplaying or flat out denying their African ancestry. Yet I don't ever hear a Black American talking shit about that. It's only the CVs they talk shit about.
What do you think that's so? |
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Lu di Dulce
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I know about the Dominicans, but if I'm not mistaken the Dominicans were in fact (at least some) Capeverdeans just like people from Aruba, Curacao, etc... some generations ago (slaves stationned in CV & brought there). It's even worse in some other countries in Latin America where the creme de creme, the chic thing, is for women to have long hair on their legs so that people can see their lineage. The hairier, the better.
Nanterre staba sabi? |
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Hairy legs as a proof of European ancestry.... I think that's the case in Mexico. I don't remember where I read it, but you see, the indiginous Mexicans have smooth hairless skin, whereas the mestizo ones ( part spaniard) have more hairy skins.
Unlike in the U.S. where hairy legs are considered ugly, in Mexico, it's considered a plus because it denotes spaniard ancestry, the most prized ancestry in their racial hierarchy system.
That's just to show that we, the Cape Verdeans, are not as fucked up as some people portray us. |
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Lu di Dulce
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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No, we're not as fucked up as some think, we may be even more than that. We're not too far from what happened in Burundi. I firmly believe that if we were any richer and developed we'd have a civil war, sampadjudo vs badio and CV versus Continental Africa, just like Tutsis vs Hutus.
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Lei di Merka Guest
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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It is funny... that many people argue around this, but they follow portuguese soccer with such passion! CV will play Portugal, who will they be cheering for? |
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Lu di Dulce
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Lu di Dulce wrote: | | Anonymous wrote: | Hairy legs as a proof of European ancestry.... I think that's the case in Mexico. I don't remember where I read it, but you see, the indiginous Mexicans have smooth hairless skin, whereas the mestizo ones ( part spaniard) have more hairy skins.
Unlike in the U.S. where hairy legs are considered ugly, in Mexico, it's considered a plus because it denotes spaniard ancestry, the most prized ancestry in their racial hierarchy system.
That's just to show that we, the Cape Verdeans, are not as fucked up as some people portray us. |
No, we're not as fucked up as some think, we may be even more than that. We're not too far from what happened in Burundi. I firmly believe that if we were any richer and developed we'd have a civil war, sampadjudo vs badio and CV versus Continental Africa, just like Tutsis vs Hutus.
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OK, here's a question for you: do you secretely rejoice when sampadjudos get humiliated and rediculed in Europe and America for their views?
No I do not rejoyce when ANY Human being in general or Cape Verdean and African in particular get humiliated or ridiculed ANYWHERE, be it in America, Europe or Africa and that includes CV, even thoug some lately have very much insisted that CV isn't part of Africa.
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