Labina, you're wrong I don't dislike the MPD. Again, I was a member of that party. What I'm saying about the MPD is asking to what you're saying about the PAICV. Maybe you didn't understand how far down the MPD brought CV, because you were too happy to have escaped the "griffe" of PAICV. I'm just trying to be as objective as possible, and what I see is that MPD made sure that every friend and family were taken care of, as did the PAICV.

So once again, I don't dislike neither the MPD nor the PAICV for that matter, I dislike those who lie to the people and take advantage of their positions to get rich and that has been done by both parties. And as I said before if you look at the richest people in CV, you will find out that there are more MPD'istas than PAICV'istas with fat bank accounts. I'm neutral in all this. All I want is for the guilty to get punished regardless of their party afilliation and for the good ones to take care of business.

Frutuoso

The emails below sent by Benvido Rodrigues, a well-known MPD activist
here in the US, show the evidence that this is a campaign orchestrated by
MPD to destroy the image of our country. The campaign is also evidence that MPD does not trust our institutions such as our Justice system. If there is fraud, it has to be proved in the court, not through anonymous emails and forums.
I am not from PAICV, but from now I will be PAICV because it is a Party who managed to mislead the US Government (see the Human Rights Report on Cape Verde from the State Department), Heritage Foundation (see Report of this Republican Think Tank), the UN, European Union, the World Bank, the IMF and all the western Governments. Be serious, in the world today you can not hide if you are an undemocratic country and have a President who is a tyrant. Please stop this non-sense campaign against your own country interest and let the court decide. For myself as emigrant, I will never vote for MPD, as I did in 1991 and 1996. Imagine that this party is saying that Veiga has to be the President of Cape Verde because he wan in the islands and the vote of the emigrants did not count!!!!

Caboverdianamente
Antonio Moreira
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DEAR MR. FARAH,


MY NAME IS BENVINDO RODRIGUES, FROM CAPE VERDE ISLANDS, WEST AFRICA. YOUR ORGANIZATION WAS REFERRED TO US AS A THINK-TANK IN MONITORIG AND DENOUNCING ELECTORAL FRAUDES IN THE WORLD, AND IN AFRICA, IN PARTICULAR.
MY COUNTRY HAS JUST HELD TWO ELECTIONS:

1-FOR THE GOVERNMENT ON JANUARY 22, 2006;

2-FOR THE PRESIDENT ON FEBRUARY 12, 2006.

BOTH ELECTIONS WERE WON BY THE GOVERNMENT PARTY PAICV AND HIS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, MR. PEDRO PIRES, BASED ON A MASSIVE FRAUDE STRATEGY DESIGNED AND IMPLEMENTED: PEOPLE WHO VOTED 5-6 TIMES, 74,000 FAULSE IDs ISSUED, 1,000 DOUBLE PASSPORTS ASLO ISSUED, ABOUT 600 PEOPLE WHO HAS REGISTERED FOR VOTE EXTRA LEGALLY ESTABLISHED PERIOD, AND 24,000 PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT VOTE BECAUSE THEIR NAMES WERE LITERALLY ERAISED FROM THE LIST.

ALL THESE CASES HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO THE SUPREME COURT, BUT THE DECISION WILL TAKE TIME. IN 1990s, CAPE VERDE WAS SHOWN AS AN EXAMPLE OF DEMOCRACY IN AFRICA, NOT ANYMORE, AND THE WORLD HAS TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY, AND WE ARE HEREBY ASKING FOR YOUR HELP IN ORGANZING A TRIP TO CAPE VERDE,

TALKING TO POLITICAL PARTIES REPRESENTATIVES, PEOPLE AND WRITING ABOUT THIS EVENT. IT IS TIME TO PUT A STOP ON THESE THINKS AND I CAN PERSONALLY HELP ORGANIZING THIS TRIP.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE AND LONG LIVE TO DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM.

BENVINDO RODRIGUES (chabote is my nick name).

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Dear friends,

Your help is needeed and we must act quickly. We are absolutely sure that Dr. Carlos Veiga is the best candidate for the country, democracy and for our freedom. Meanwhile, the anomalies in the past election, have not been fixed and it is most likely that it is going to happen again.

Worldwide, several democratic countries including US, believe our system is the most stable in Africa. We all know it is a BIG belony. Political corruption in Cape Verde is the same as other countries in Africa, may be even worse. The only difference is that we as capeverdians are very tolerant. That's why it hasn't been a case for civil war or major confrontation like everywhere else.

This is what WE NEED TO DO:

We all capeverdians that love our democracy and want to see a Cape Verde free of corruption, manipulation, and FRAUD should write to Mr. Joseph Farah, chief editor of WorldNetDaily.com.

WorldNetDaily.com is a private, independent world news media with high reputation around the world. We all should request for help and something to be done to monitorthis presidential election here in US, and also tell him our views of what happened in Cape Verde on January 22nd Legslative election. Mr. Farah said he never heard about fraud in Cape Verde and he believes CV is a true democratic society.

This is the ONLY way we can raise awareness of what is going on in Cape Verde, so that US, United Nations and other organizations can turn around and pay attention to our democratic system that has been anything else but democratic.

PAICV with his communist tactics has infiltrated in US and is lobbying closely to the US government. It has been a major defeat for MPD. That's why US is doing nothing or paying attention to Cape Verde. WE MUST BREAK THIS CYCLE! WE MUST STOP PAICV's strong influence near US government.

DOn't wait another minute. PLEASE put everything aside and write to Mr. Farah's TODAY explaining your views and ask for help. His email is:

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DO your country a favor.

Circulate this e-mail to those you believe are trustworthy and pro democratic.


ABAIXO A MANIPULACAO, FRAUDE, Ditadura do PAICV. Viva a liberdade, e uma sociedade livre sem fraude!


Saudacoes

What Frutuoso? member of MPD!!!! You must be dreaming...
And all you have learned is that They were selling Sal, Boavista, Cabo Verde to the Italians, Portuguese, and to whom else? To americans too? No?

G...Let's show some decency and not expose ourselves like liers in defense of PAICV!

That's the lowest of the lowest a human being can get...

We must use PAICV power and if necessary all the repressive ways we used in past to get this people who are behind MPD.

We used it in past and why not using it NOW that we are in POwer?
I guess they are not afraid of PAICV, or Pedro Pires. Do they know what the man can do? If he can't all of us behind him can do something. May be we may need some training. We may need to be sent to Afganistan...Whatever it takes I am PAICV.

Saudacoes Revolucionarias Camarada!
VIVA o nosso Glorioso Estrela Negra!
Abaixo o Imperialismo, Abaixo!
Abaixo o Capitalismo, ABaixo!
Viva a Ditadura do proletariado! Viva!
Viva o Comunismo, Viva!

Povo, es assunto li e extremamente serio, portanto nhos dexa des poca vergonha di Anonimous, Guest, Impostor e mais. Si nhos ca tem corage di mostra nhos rosto nhos ba brinca na oto lugar. Si nu sta tenta resolve problemas nu mesti sabi kem ki sta papia, nu mesti homens verdaderos, corajosos ki sabi porta como tal e ki ca ta sucundi tras de pseodonimos pa podi manda bocas. Nhos corage e so tras de janela.

Frutuoso

PLEASE everyone,

Post here Pedro Pires email, Jose Maria Neves email, and let's see how many thousands of emails it will be sent to them directly.

I am sure nobody will hide their identity. Nobody is afraid of Pedro Pires and His Clowns SPECIALLY those who were tortured by his regime!

Get LOST Frutuoso. Nobody is here to listen to your stupid views! You are as stupid as PEDRO PIRES and his Gang!

Your ideas are Crap, you must be suffering from mal-nutrition for sure!

My dear friend,

If you support your views, Pedro Pires would be the first ONE not to enter this country because he would go straight to jail for all the crimes he commited against Humanity under his regime while Prime Minister.

REMEMBER:
He has been against US all his life.
He shouted ABAIXO Capitalismo, meaning ABAIXO US for 15 years...

FBI /CIA should have a record of how many thousand times he yield his tongue out screaming ABAIXO... ABAIXO...

BTW, How is your IQ?

Cape verde's never been praised this much at home and overseas before.In every democracy,there're political parties and the "opposition parties" are the accusers and instigators most of the time.MPD-movimentu para dimocracia,had its chances and opportunites and didn't make the most of it,(i.e.it lent a capitalist image and didn't stand for it-it naively,privatized some of the most profitable state companies deeming,it was turning the socialist country into a capitalist country and it backfired-electra for instance)the cape verdean electorate got the message between 1991 and 2001 and returned their old representatives to power and it paid off.

Everybody learns from their mistakes...maybe in the future,they'll learn from theirs !

Dear ALL PAICVs, ANtonio Moreira and Co. Ltda.


We have in our hands some interesting pictures from dead people, during your presidente's brutal regime, some video tapes(interviews) from people that escaped his regime and were brutaly beaten, and some tape records during his famous "comicios" shouting ABAIXO Capitalismo, meaning ABAIXO USA, etc. etc.

For your personal information we are submitting all these proofs to a more creditable news media such as Fox News and Wall Street Journal for publication. NOW I am asking you all to do the following to save your Party:

1-Write a letter to your Prime Minister and President and let them know what we are about to do. We have been CONTACTED DIRECTLY by these news Media to provide these informations.
2-Ask them what they can do to STOP us from incriminating your president and your so beloved PAICV. If you don't believe what you're reading, wait until we post the next publication. Trust us...we have facts only. facts that we can provide to anyone's disbelief. We publish the news on this SIte...Do you think we are AFRAID of your GANGS?
May be you can get some Reward as you all PAICV are used to. I mean you may get some TACHO...

NOW spread the word quickly... That's what we're doing Next. May be they may Scare US with their Torture MACHINE, can they?
Tell your President and your Prime Minister to give us a call. They know very well who we are...
DAMN SERIOUS...We are NOT KIDDING....
GOOD LUCK TO ALL you IDIOTS!!! A BIGGER GIFT IS COMING SOON!!!

THIS A PATRIOTIC ACT in Defense of our Democracy!

Really??? Then why has this not been done before? If you really have all this I'm all for it. Go ahead. If not don't waste our time and go post your threats elsewhere.

My fellow Cape Verdeans,
Now it's time for the TRUTH: enough of opinions without arguments to support them. The PEOPLE OF CAPE VERDE wants FACTS AND FACTS ONLY.

So, the FORCV management team is presenting a CHALLENGE to both PAICV and MPD. If you have proofs like pictures, videos, authentic documents and letters, or any materials that can be converted to digital format of what you are saying here, PLEASE SEND THEM TO US. WE WILL PUBLISH THEM IN THE FRONT PAGE OF OUR WEBSITE.

FORCV.com is an independent site and does not support any political parties or views. However, we are SINCERE AND STRONG SUPPORTERS OF CAPE VERDE, ITS PEOPLE AND THE GLOBAL CABOVERDIANO NATION IN THE DIASPORA.

We are here, FORCV - for Cape Verde. We fight for the people, for truth, integrity, and DEMOCRACY. We do not tolerate and promote injustice of corruption of any shape or form. And we will vehemently expose corruption and fraud and inform the Cape Verdean nation and the world about those who perpetrates that in our community and country.

FORCV and it's members sincerely believe that all nations upon earth, including our beloved Cape Verde are entitled by the Almighty God with alienated rights to enjoy FREEDOM, LIBERTY, EDUCATION, FAIRNESS, JUSTICE, RIGHTS TO PURSUE HAPPINESS AND PROSPERITY AND TO LIVE DECENT AS HUMAN BEINGS.

These rights should not be privileges of some elite class, members, and friends of neither PAICV nor MPD. All and every "Caboverdiano" should be entitled to the same rights and opportunities Pedro Pires, Carlos Veiga, Jose Maria Neves, or Agostinho Lopes have. They aren't any better than none of the rest of us.

So, we invite you that sincerely care about the well being of our country, people and communities - NOT THE SELFISH INTERESTS OF ANY POLITICAL PARTIES - to join us in this journey and struggle to better the life of our people. Yes, we invite to you disclose any PROOFS and or FACTS, not accusations, of any electoral frauds if you believed they happened, or any torture or corruption caused by any of those parties.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

FORCV Management Team.

Ok. Let's look at the facts, and them you draw your own conclusion about if their were fraud in elections or not.

According to DGAE ( Direccao Geral de Admnistracao Eleitoral), Carlos Veiga won the elections, in Cape Verde and the only thing that stopped him from winning the general elections was the vote of the immigrants in America that came in later in the election day after the national radio started to broadcast that the primary results shows that Veiga is winning the elections. We all know that so far PAICV always win elections in America. No doubt.

But my doubt is here:
Do you believe that, as the data from DGAE , from

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, 2783, people in America, mostly in New England came out to vote this past Sunday in the middle of the strong, windy and cold snow blizzard that damped 15 inches of snow and made the roads quite impossible to travel from 12am until about 7:30pm on that day?

Let's do the math and look at the chances of that really happening:

- people started to came out of their homes only around 6 or 7 pm when the storm slowed down

- they first had to shovel snow from their walkway, and driveway so they could come outside. It usually takes about 1 to 2 hours to clean 15 inches

- them they had to dig out their car that were mostly covered by the snow. Another 30 minutes to 1 hour.

- them they would have to drive to the elections pool sites which supposedly should close at 8pm, stand in line - if there was any - and them vote. Snince the road were really bad to drive, with car sliding on snow all over New England roads, with would take about 20 to 40 minutes for somebody to get to a voting polls that in normal weather would take 5 to 10 minutes.

- So, from the time you dress up to go outside to shovel snow so you can get into your car or wait for a ride to take you to the door of a voting pool, it would take a total average an of almost 2 hours; just to get to the doors of a voting polls that in normal weather would take you about 5 to 10 minutes. However, according to the data of DGAE, there were only 4 pools opened for 11388 registered Cape Verdeans voters to vote in the whole United States of America, most of these voters in New England where the snow storm happened. So, most average voters were more than 1 hour distance from a voting poll. So, for somebody more than 1 hour away from a voting poll, it would take him or her about 8 to 10 hours to get to the a poll from him or her house in the snow blizzard from Sunday.

- Now, if you live here in New England, you know the apathy of the Cape Verdean community towards voting, and you must have seen the heavy snow storm on Sunday:
is it likely true that 2783 would be able to do all that in 1 or 2 hours only?

Well lets compare this with a different scenario that happened last month and see what the evidence and the reality tends to tell us.

On the legislative elections that happened this past January, with a nice weather - nice sunny Sunday-, no snow storm, and with all the election fever and fanaticism of both MPDdistas and PAICVistas, and with a total of 31 polls all over the Americas, only 3093 people came out of their homes to vote, according to the website of Commissao Nacional de Eleicoes:

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: A difference of 310 people from the number of voters that supposedly voted in the Presidential elections.

Now lets look at the circumstances:

- Cape Verdeans in America are very apathetic and don't care much about voting. Need facts? Look at the numbers this:

* there are about 200000 Cape Verdeans living in America.

* only 11388 registered to vote in the past 2 elections, according to the data of DGAE. And worse: only 3093 voted in the legislative elections, and supposedly 2783 in the presidential elections.

On the election day, last Sunday I looked out to the streets in Dorchester many times. I didn't see anybody on the streets but the plowing and fire trucks going up and down the roads. Around 6 o'clock in the afternoon I started seeing few people coming out to clean snow from their cars. Most people came out around 8 o'clock at night to shovel snow. By that time the pools were supposed to close.

This morning, I went to forcv.com and saw pictures about how bad the storm was and how difficult was to drive the streets fn New England that Sunday. You can see them yourself at forcv.com, at Photo Gallery 3 -

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So, against all these evidences, do you sincerely believe that 2783 Cape Verdeans come out to vote and turned the direction of the election to Pedro Pires in a frigid, windy Nor’easterner that shut down the entire North Easterner Corridor from Washington DC to Maine? Was it mathematically possible for that this number of voters to really show up to the polls

The answer is up to you...

Sandro, please read all my posts and then I will responde your coment.
Frutuoso, Entendi a twa reacção. Eu te toquei na ferida. I am sorry
Nkre nhós txeu
Labina

Condeno repugnadamente o acto do senhor António Moreira. Ao transcrever os emails do senhor Benvindo Soares, o sr. Moreira parece que quer intimidar não só a pessoa que dirigiu os e-mails, como a qualquer outra pessoa que queira expressar livremente as suas opiniões.
Não restam dúvidas que o sr. Moreira parece pertencer ao grupo mestre de tortura e Intimidação que amdrontou Cabo Verde durante o regime de Pedro Pires. É esse medo e intimidação que os MPD reclamam ter voltado com o PAICV ao poder.

Está bem claro que a intenção do sr. Moreira é de INTIMIDAR, METER MEDO. Mas quem tem medo dos senhores do PAICV neste país de Liberdade? Afinal todos vieram para no país mais democrático do mundo onde a expressão de Liberdade tem o seu expoente máximo, não é verdade? Se querem continuar com esses meios de intimidação que voltem a Cabo Verde e se juntem ao PAICV… por amor de Deus!

Ora, isso tem consequencias negativas imprevisiveis. Vejamos o seguinte:
1- Este tipo de coisas sómente serve para dividir mais acentuadamente os Cabo Verdianos na diáspora. MPD vs PAICV. Se a Guerra ainda não começou, já devemos dar graças ao nosso bom Senhor.
2- Isto serve para lançar ódio e possível vingança um contra o outro. Neste estado de coisas, qual é o perigo que se corre? Para se vingar um do outro, vamos passar a chamar os Bosses dos nossos opositores onde trabalham tais individuos, fazendo intrigas e falsas acusações um contra o outro. Por aí vamos andando até que a explosão máxima começa a dar lugar as nossa frustações, entrando em cenas de crime organizado etc. Não é novidade que todo o mundo pode possuir/adquirir uma arma neste país, portanto é fácil que se passa na cabeça de qualquer uma vingança premeditada. Já estão a ver aonde podemos chegar?

Bem Façam lá as vossa contas e POR FAVOR vamos por um STOP a este estado de coisas que não favorece a nossa comunidade na Diáspora, mas antes pelo contrário sómente nos afunda cada vez mais. Penso que os senhores que enviaram os e-mails acerca da Fraude em CV, tem as suas rtazões. Podemos estar de acordo ou não, mas devemos assumir que não foi por acaso. Além de mais assumo que não se esconderam atrás de nenhum pseudónimo ao enviarem os seus factos que julgaram ser verídicos ao senhor chefe do News media em questão. Para além de tudo isso acho que um News Media de grande credibilidade não publicaria uma notícia com base em acusaçoes falsas, se ão tiver dados concretos e credíveis para sustentar qualquer contra-ataque. Doutra forma onde está a credibilidade da mesma?

Sómente algo para pensar e MEDITAR!

Um abraço Caboverdiano

Caluzinho di Coba Figuera

Gentis nhos toma kudadu. fanatismu cegu ki origina Nazismu, fomenta racismu y kausa holocautismu.

Peace on earth to all,

Dear Brother Frutuoso,

I don't want to take sides but I guess you did initiate all this confrontation with Djoy di Coba Figuera, and it took this ugly proportion because the Admin took a unilateral position and didn't give you the first time warning. That's what probably got Djoy out of control...and this got really nasty!

Please be honest and admit it! At least you could apologize and get back to Peace with Djoy since we all are here to have a meaningful discussion. Reading your threads I found out your first offense which I quote here for everyone to see, since the Admin is asking for facts only:

Quote:

This is a nazi thinking and it bothers me that a negro like you still has that slave mentality, as people could think that we're all the same

Dear Frutuoso,

What I meant is that trying to correct a bad statement from Djoy with another bad statement doesn't resolve anything. The result was clear!

Anyone is prone to take the word "a negro like you" as an offense and I guess that prompted Djoy's reaction. He got a yellow card from the ADMIN and you did not.
He can present the same argument as you did that he didn't mean any offense. I guess it is a matter of interpretation.

Next time let's be more carefull and avoid these kind of unnecessary confrontation.

Cheers and Peace to all,

Mino di Mama

Dear visitors,

Unfortunately, after deliberate violations of this forum's code of conduct by Joe da Rosa, preceded by 4 repeated warnings (quoted below) to him by the forum administrator to comply with the code of conduct, respect the audience and use appropriate language here:

"Attention: while we encourage open-mindness and freedom to express diffrent views here, we do not tolerate offensive and hateful language towards any group or person. We will delete any type of message with such content. So, be respectful and kind with your language, please.",

FORCV decided to remove all the postings by Joe da Rosa, the Administration's and Frutuoso's replies to him because the offensive language level and personal insults they generated were moving in opposite directions to the sentiment and spirit of FORCV.com and its forum, which is "discussing our concerns for a better tomorrow for our communities."

The FORCV management sincerely apologizes for any inconveniences this may cause.
Thank you.

FORCV Management Team


P.S. A friendly reminder: to all our visitors including our staff: FORCV.com firmly believes everyone should feel comfortable to post articles or express their opinions on this forum. That’s why we set it up to be as anonymous as possible, so people can say whatever they want. However, there is a code of conduct to be followed here, and people that don't respect it are not welcome to this forum.

So, let’s use an appropriate level of language for a public forum, be respectful of others, and voice our agreements or disagreements in a mature and academic way so nobody feel uneasy to fearlessly put out their views and suggestions.

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De acordo com tudo isso. Ami n ta conforma.
Frutuoso

I applaud the Administrator remarks and comments. Meanwhile the same rule should be applied to everyone indiferently his or her background.
I have been following these comments and I decided to give my contribution suggesting the following:

1- The administrators of this site Should NEVER get involved directly in dicussions on this site, for the simple reason they are seen as mediators and not as active participants of ANY discussion posted hereby. That was mistake No. 1 by this site coordenating members.

2-The administrators should be unbiased towards anyone, may it be Joe da Rosa, Frutuoso, or anyone else. If they are seen differently they may generate repulsive reactions with negative site effects with predictable results. What you see is what you get using Bill gate's theory.

3- Analysing Joe da Rosa compulsive reaction I assume he was angry by the fact that Frutuoso was slashing him badly and never got a warning. What goes for Joe da Rosa should also go for everyone else. The Admin stuff is to be neutral and assuming perfect control of the site, Otherwise people tend to post their views out of disrespect for the coordenators. Not that they are uneducated but with a clear intention to mess up the discussion Forum, and make it a dirty place, where people are NOT willing to participate. Who is to loose? The site and the members is my answer.

4- So Let's prevent this kind of sabotage!

My 2 cents only!

Nazario, I appreciate your Very intelligent comment, just as I did appreciate Mino de Mama's but again, if you read the whole thing you will notice that I was only responding to an attack, where Mister di Rosa came in, calling us stupid, uneducated, "immigrants"???, posting our views coming straight from our dirty stomach, PIG place and so on

I'm a very active participant of this forum and when somebody comes here calling me names, I do respond. This is not a pig place. I, however agree that I should have shown a little more restraint and not reply to someone who obviously came here to insult the members. But please read again where it all begun.

Thank you,

Frutuoso