Agnelo Montrond
Kulunista di FORCV

BROCKTON- Nu sabi ma purtuges ten algun influénsia na kriolu, sima ingles ó franses pode ten tanbe. Sénpri ki un algen prende un novu lingua, es lingua ta influênsia se lingua nativa. Óras ki N ta papia kriolu, nha kriolu pode ten influênsia di franses, ingles, ó purtuges. Purtantu, N ta spera ma nhos ta ntende razon pamodi N ta uza alguns térmus derivadu di purtuges na nha textu. É ka pa bazofaria nãu. Txeu bes kes térmus ta ben sén N krê. É ki skéma mental di un kabuverdianu ki studa na un otu lingua ta sta na kel lingua. El ten ki transfiri di kel lingua la pa kriolu. É keli ki podi ixplika influênsia ki txeu kabuverdianus ten na ses kriolu, ki algen txiga di batiza di krioles, ki é kriolu ku txeu influênsia di purtuges. Y li na Mérka nu ten «Creo-English» ki é kriolu ku influênsia di ingles. Txeu algen na Mérka ta fla: N ta txoma-u di patrás en ves di fla N ta txoma-u dipos; draiva karru en ves di gia karru; N ba stoa onti en ves di N ba lója onti; manhan N ten pointiéntu ku nha dotor en ves di fla manhan N ten konsulta ku nha dotor; bu ten ki leba kabésa txéka di bu pai en ves di bu ten ki leba papel ki ta mostra kantu dinheru bu pai ta ganha, ets. Stranjerismu di un fórma jeral, ta kontisi na kuazi tudu lingua. Y Kriolu é ka exsepson a es régra.

Kriolu ten alguns vokábulus ki ta deriva diretamenti di purtuges y ki txeu kabuverdianus ku fraku skolaridadi pode ten algun difikuldadi na ntende sima: konstranjiméntus, monótonu, abranjênsia, telespetadoris, kativu, ixtremamenti, ets. Alguns pesoas ta atxa ma kela devia ser ivitadu y ma Kriolu debe skrebedu só na se fórma orijinal. Até sértu pontu N ta konkorda má nén sénpri é pusível. A sigir N ta aponta alguns razon:

Kriolu é un lingua sima kualker un otu, sima nos tudu nu sabe. Tanbe, nu sabe ma na ingles, ten várius nível di kumunikason formal y informal. Vokabulárius y «register level» ta dipendi di kontextu y tanbe di interlokutoris. Nos tudu nu sabe ma ingles ki ta uzadu na un kontextu akadémiku é konpletamenti diferenti di ingles ki ta uzadu pa pesoas sosializa ku kunpanheru. Pur izénplu ingles ki N pode uza pa N da un aula di matimátika pa ixplika kálkulu integral ó kálkulu diferensial é konpletamenti diferenti di ingles ki N ta uza pa kumunika ku amigus na un jantar na un restoranti. Mesmu kuza ta kontisi na kriolu: kriolu ki dôs adivogadu ta uza pa papia sobri direitu internasional konparadu é diferenti di kriolu ki dôs piskador ta utiliza pa papia di péska. N ta rifiri a un advogadu di mesmu manera ki N ta rifiri a un piskador. Ses ixtatutu susial ka sta en kauza. Ki N sa ta konpara é ses nível di kriolu.

Sosiedadi kabuverdianu ten klasis. Y klasis é fetu ku bazi na txeu kritérius. Nu podi perfeitamenti papia di klasi intelektual y klasi di trabadjadoris di «FAIMO» (frenti di alta intensidadi di mon di óbra). Interason entri menbrus di kes dôs klasis la na kriolu, ta fazedu na dôs tipu di kriolu linguistikamenti diferenti, sima ki N flaba antis. Dôs matimátikus podi papia sobri rizoluson di prublémas di eleméntus finitu ku konstranjiméntu lokal ó global. Nes kazu nu ten ki uza palavra konstranjiméntu, y e ka podi sér substituidu pa palavra difikuldadi pamodi signifikadu é ka kelmé. Repara, N ta rikonhesi ma es palavra só ta introduzidu na un anbienti akadémiku y txeu algen podi ka sabi se signifikadu. Fala di kriolu orijinal podi ka faze sintidu na es kazu. Na nível universitáriu ta papiadu kriolu akadémiku y nãu kriolu orijinal. Es tipus di mitus li meste ser dismistifikadu. Y N ta sujiri pa nu dizafia nos kabésa, ti ki nu konvensi nos kabésa, ma kriolu komu lingua ki el e é, el ten ki ten níveis ki ta bai di nível baxu a nível elevadu, konformi kontextu for susial ó akadémiku. Só pa nu xinti gostu di un lamiré di kriolu akadémiku, y modi ki el ta ben sér, nu ta konvida leitoris ki ta ntende ingles pa traduzi ó interpreta es pikénu textu (ki é un extratu di ensiklópédia Wikipedia) li na kriolu, sén uza palavras ki ka ta faze parti di «Kriolu orijinal, ou seja Kriolu nativu»:

«In mathematics, a Sobolev space is a vector space of functions equipped with a norm that is a combination of Lp norms of the function itself as well as its derivatives up to a given order. The derivatives are understood in a suitable weak sense to make the space complete, thus a Banach space. Intuitively, a Sobolev space is a Banach space or Hilbert space of functions with sufficiently many derivatives for some application domain, such as partial differential equations, and equipped with a norm that measures both the size and smoothness of a function. Sobolev spaces are named after the Russian mathematician Sergei L. Sobolev. Their importance lies in the fact that solutions of partial differential equations are naturally in Sobolev spaces rather than in the classical spaces of continuous functions and with the derivatives understood in the classical sense. »

N pode perfeitamenti uza palavras sima konstranjiméntus, monótonu, abranjênsia, telespetadoris, kativu, ixtremamenti, ets pa skrebi un textu. Si N podi uzas na ingles ó na purtuges, N ka sa ta odja pamodi ki na kriolu N ten obrigatoriamenti ki skrebe na kriolu orijinal. Sima ten purtuges iruditu tanbe ten kriolu iruditu. Repara ma kriolu iruditu é ka un «Bad Portuguese» ó purtuges mal papiadu sima ki alguns ta fla. N ka ta rifiri a konpléksu nén di superioridadi nén di inferioridadi. N ta pensa ma rikéza di nos kriolu sta na se fleksibilidadi tantu a nível di variantis komu na vokabuláriu derivadu di purtuges y otus lingua. Nu debi enkara nos lingua ku abertura y altas ixpetativas. Ka nu limita nos lingua só a se verson orijinal. Aliás dimension di un lingua ta ivolui. E ka ta fika só na se stadu orijinal. Kriolu ki ta papiadu na parlaméntu é un próva klarividenti di es faktu.

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Agnelo,
Thanks for your effort in trying to answer my questions and points I made in your previous topics about Kriolu as a language.

To what you are saying here, it is now even clearer to me that this "Kriolu Akademiku" as you refer to it, is just a copy-cat of Portuguese. I am not saying you can not use a Portuguese word under certain circumstances.” Kriolu Akademiku or Kriolu Social” are driven from Portuguese but if you are writing in Kriolu you should be consistent and use words that exist in Kriolu. In this way, you will move away from copying Portuguese, which will make your writing easier to understand and to teach others that don’t know Portuguese.

You mentioned that a Language is influenced by another language, I agree with that but every major languages has its on base and can stand on its own. For example, in English there are words in French but you don’t have to learn French in order to learn English. To learn English you will study in English and learn the alphabet, the rules to apply it, sentences, words and so forth. In your writing and with your explanation, of this “Kriolu Akademiku” it is clear that in order to learn it, you need to learn Portuguese first.

In your writing you use words that do not exist in Kriolu where you could find a different way to say the same thing without the use of such words and the content would be same. Again, I think you are not making it clear what the difference is between Kriolu Akademiku and Kriolu Sosial. How can you teach this Kriolu Akademiku if you depend heavily on Portuguese words? How can you use words and sounds that doesn’t exist in Kriolu and call it “Kriolu Akademiku” How can change “Y” for “I” if in Kriolu there is no use of “Y”?

Looking at another explanation in your writing, you refer Creo-English being influence by English. There are two clear influences of Creo-English, one from Kriolus that were born in the US and Kriolus that came from CV with no or little knowledge of English. Kriolus that were born here when they try speak Kriolu, they translate English word letter by letter to Portuguese-Kriolu and that's why they say ”N ta txoma-u pa patrás” instead of translating the content of the sentence. Where Kriolus that came from CV, when they try to say a word in English they would pronounce it incorrectly, like: “Paka” instead of “Park”, “Driva instead of Drive”. This is a habit that we all have or acquire (the use of mix words - English and Portuguese) here in the US when residing the in community that is heavily populate by CVs.

There are many types of “Broken English” (or slogans) but when you are learning or when you are writing for others to read you write it in English not in “Broken English”. It is okay in a conversation to use mix words between Portuguese and Kriolu. However let’s not do that and call it “Kriolu Akademiku”. My main point is that your writing is a copy-cat of Portuguese in Kriolu spelling.

If you are trying to spread/teach “Kriolu Akademiku”, when you write use less word that are driven from Portuguese and be consistent, don’t mix in words between Portuguese and Kriolu because you are not in a conversation on the street or with few of your friends. If we are trying to make Kriolu the “official Language” we need to be consistent. If you want to mix in Portuguese and Kriolu that is fine but call it Creo-Portuguese not Kriolu Akademiku.

I agree with just about everything you said, Jaylson. The so called Kriolu Akademiku or as I and others call it, Kriolez, is a copy-cat of Portuguese, therefore it should not be taken seriously. It should be ridiculed. Montrond's Kriolu doesn't actually resemble Kriolez so much but it is nonetheless strongly influenced by it. This basically means that Montrond thinks in Portuguese and interprets those thoughts to Kriolu. But then again, his Kriolu isn't so bad. The worst ones are some officials in Cape Verde who speak in Pure Kriolez. I see them on "Jornal da noite" everyday and I imagine a portuguese person listening to them and thinking that they are speaking "portugues di preto", a deragatory phrase for poorly spoken portuguese not knowing that they are speaking, at least in their minds, kriolu fino, or as Montrond would say, Kriolu Akademiku.

I think someone should create a CV version of "Saturday Night live" so some politicians in Cape Verde can see how comedic they sound when they speak their "Kriolu Finu" i.e., kriolu Akademiku.

Agnelo,

We all know that CV-Kriolu "came from Portuguese" that is not question or problem, the problem is when you create a third language, and call it "Kriolu Akademiku" which pretty much is Portuguese spelled out in Kriolu. There are words and under certain circumstances that you will have to use a Portuguese word as of with most languages use a word or more that came from another language.

You wanted me to translate the text you took from "Wikipedia", you are correct it will be almost impossible to Translate that text meaningfully without using any Portuguese word. As if you are trying to translate it to any other language. Were the text/subjects you wrote about Kriolu Language a translation? I thought those text/subjects were yours, I did not know you had to translate them.

Translating a text is away different from writing your own. In some of your text you used lots of words in your so called "Kriolu Akademiku" instead of explain the same thought using sentences and words in Kriolu.

Your definition and explanation of "Kriolu Akademiku" makes it clear that to learn it you need it in a be bi-lingual institute and environment. In other words you need to learn Portuguese first to learn Kriolu. This raises all bunches of doubts and complexity and if infact your definition of "Kriolu Akademiku" will succeed. When you depend on bi-lingual to teach/learn Kriolu it makes it very hard to teach and very long process to learn it. Example; students from CV, that took English in Bi-lingual took them much more time to learn English and had/have lots of problem in developing their English skill. Students from CV, that studies English without Bi-lingual they learned it faster and much efficient. Bi-lingual is useful but it should only be consider as a starting point and use only when necessary and required. Not as a main way to teach a foreign language.

As I had mentioned to translate this text you would need to use some Portuguese words, however my question is there are words that were used that I don't agree or would write it in Kriolu not spell it from Portuguese. Over all it is ok but there are few words and sentences that they could say it without spelling of Portuguese in Kriolu That is what I am trying to tell you.

For example, the use of words and sound (sãu and sõix), this is what I am questioning all along can we avoid at all possible writing these words that in Kriolu are spelled and sound differently.

funsõix, why could not they use "funson" instead
konbinasãu --- kombinason
aplikasãu --- aplikason

Another one that could being avoided:

"foi nominadu" (although Kriolus do use this term but it could still be avoided)

Ixpásus di Sobolev foi nomiadu dipôs di kel matimátiku rusu Sregei L

Other way to say the same thing:

nomi di Ixpásus di Sobolev ben di um matimátiku rusu Sregei L...

I am not too sure you are seeing my point. You can avoid using the spelling of Portuguese words in Kriolu but it is not easy to do. Lots of time it is easier to say what you want to say in Portuguese (for those CV that have Portuguese background) but that makes Kriolu hard to understand and to teach for other that don't know Portuguese.

Here are the answers to your questions, in English. The reason you could grasp the Guinean Kriolu more than the Kriolu spoken in Sao Nicolau is because the variant of Kriolu spoken in Brava and Fogo, the islands where your grandparents were born, is almost identical to the Santiago variant of Kriolu, which in turn, is heavely influenced from Guinea-Bissau.
Regarding ALUPEC, it is like you said, an orthography that aims to standardize the written form of Cape Verdean Creole, regardless of its vocal nuances. There's only one Cape Verdean Creole. All Cape Verdeans raised in Cape Verde understand each other no matter what island they hail from. The difference is purely in accent. All national languages have variances in accent but the form is nearly always uniform. This is what Alupec is trying to accomplish, a standard uniform way of writing Kriolu.