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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:19 pm    Post subject: Festival di Brockton, ForCV.com y Assosiason Caboverdiana Reply with quote


ForCV.com,
pa nu fika mas unidu? Sera?

Oras ki nhos ta fazi kubertura d'un iventu sima kel festival na brockton, min atxa ma tudu artista ki partisipa na festival ten direito di kubertura. N'ka sabi si nhos ta konsidera nhos kabesa comu un meio di informason, mas otu arguen ta konsidera nhos komu tal.
Razon kin sta fazi kel kritika li e pamodi nu ta odja diskriminason klaru na kubertura y promoson di artistas. Tudu artista ki atua na festival tradu fotu e publikadu nes pagina li menus Afrika Rainbow band. Pamodi?

Afrika Rainbow dadu 10 minutu pa actua, un kusa ki tinda n'ka intendi, es e un grupu lokal, es e un band, y ses messagi mesti obidu mas Associacao atxa ma poi kriansas riba palku pa rabola kadera e mas importanti ki messagi ki A. Rainbow teni. M'ka sta fla ma Afrika Rainbow e mas importanti ki ninhun grupo ou artistas mas tudu artistas ten ki dadu mesmu chansi, prinsipalmenti kes ke lokal.
Tudu artistas ki actua na festival ses actuason passa 10 minuto mas Afrika Rainbow ka dexadu nen termina se segundo son.

tres membrus di Afrika Rainbow (Baluka, Edson, y Val) ta fazeba parti di Youth Committee di Associacao Caboverdiana duranti 1 anu, es organiza varios actividadis komu, Amilcar Cabral Celebration pa 20 di Janero, yPeace Walk na brockton, un kusa ke primeru x ki fazedu na brockton. ( e di salienta ma na kes actividadi ki Youth Committe organiza ninhun membru di board of directors ka partisipa)Pamodi falta di apoio di direson di Associacao y kes kambadas ki ta txoma ses cabesa "board of directors di associacao" es larga youth committee y es kontinua ku ses band. Oxi pes partisipa na festival es tive ki pratikamenti beg associacao pa tempu pes podi actua.

M'kre so fla ma Afrika Rainbow ka ta para di spadja verdadi
Pa nu podi fika mas unidu.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:47 am    Post subject: deskulpas Reply with quote

Afrika Raibow y alguns otus grupus ki fotus di ses ka parsi li,

Como presidenti di forcv.com y en nomi di ekipa di gerensia di forcv n ta pedi nhos delkulpa sin n ka konsigi tra fotus di nhos grupus. ka foi na da intencional; apenas asidental.

razon foi o seguinti: sima nhos sabi, festival foi un poku longu, di 12 - 9pm nau na mau sentidi. Mi pesoalmenti n gosta muitu di festival des anu: bem organizadu, bons artistas, boa musika y bon audinsia. Mi n tinha stadu ta trabadju na preparason pan bai festival na nha kasa desdi 10:30 di pal manhan. N txiga na festival y komesa ta trabadja logu un pregu. Kantu era 5 hora di tardi inda n staba ta tra fotu ku bariga baziu: sen almosu sen fatiota na bariga. por issu, por dos bes n tevi ki sai bi palku nau so pa bai tra fotus di kes baraka di festival mas tambe pan ba djobi kuse kume pamodi sima nhos sabi karru ka ta trabadja sen gasolina, y pa kes algen ki konxen, min ka ta konsigui sta sen komida por muitu tempu. Petiti eh largu, mas eh Dios.

Y foi ixatamenti na kes mumentus kin sai di palku, ki grupu Afrika Rainbow y otus grupus ki ka parsi na fotu sta ta atuaba. Si nhos rapara eh ka so grupu Afrika Rainbow kin ka konsigui tra fotu. Por exemplu rapara man ka teni fotu di Isidora li. Na kel mumentu ke staba na palku n staba ku nha sobrinhus longi di palku; por isu n ka konsigi tral fotu.

Deskulpa a tudu kes grupus y artistas kin ka konsigi tra fotus, mas ka foi nada prepositadamenti.

obrigadu.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acho que devemos respeitar a nossa bandeira,tal como respeitamos aos nossos governantes,porque que numa festa sempre aparece as duas bandeiras. Acho que este site e que nao devia por fotos da banderia antiga no festival de Caboverdianos em Atlanta, porque as pessoas que andam com a bandeira antiga nao tem cabeca nu lugar,ou e muito fanatico e foi mandado por alguem.Ja e altura de esquecemos do que ja passou e comecamos a trabalhar por Cabo-Verde.Nao venha com coisas de "<STORIA>porque isso ja passou.Ouvi dizer tambe que a festa de Associacao Caboverdiana de Brockton ja tornou-se numa autentica palhacada com grupos que nao tem nada a ver com a tradicao Caboverdiana.Ha pessoas no grupo que fala o Criolo e Ingles mix.sem sentido apresentacao de Gaiatice e pobre.Ja e altura de termos alguem capaz na comunidade de fazer apresentacao,por exemplo Jornalistas profissionais ou alguem capaz<sem>
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Verdi, burmedju, amarelo ke nos bandera. pelo menos di meu e kela.
So kabuverdianus (alguns) ki ta ignora storia. Tudo otu pais ta honra ses storia menus nos. Bu atxa me disrispetu usa kel "bandera antigo". Xan flau kuze ke disrispeto. Disrispeto e manera modi kes skodji kel bandera "novo" . bu ta lembra kantu kes troka bandera. Ninhun sidadon ka purguntadu opinion sobre assunto. Governantis ki atxa mes debi troka es disidi na parlamento y es trokal. Li na Merka na south ti inda ta isadu bandera di confiderason, li na north ta isadu bandera di union. sera kes ka ta rispeta ses bandera?
Djobi razon di fundu pmd kes troka bandera, e ka sinplismenti un troka di bandera mas troka di nasionalidadi. Governantis kre transforma Cabo Verdi nun kusa ke nos e ka e. Nos e ka Europeu, nos e Afrikanus. Tudo politikus di Cabo Verdi sata komiti kel ero li di tenta afasta CV di Afrika.
N'ta spera ma na futuro nu ka ta ben paga pa ses erru.

Si bu ka sabi bu storia bo e un arguen perdidu. Djobi di pundi ki bu bem pa bu podi sabi undi ki bu sta bai.

Ok.. falando na festival...
Associacao ta bai TV tudo ano antis di festival ta bai pidi apoiu, y novas ideas pa festival, mas e raru es usa ideas kes ta dadu. Tudu ano poku kusa ki ta muda. Assosiason ka ta apoia artistas lokal, es ta bai panha artistas na otu zona e paisis pa bem actua na nos palko (n'ka kontra kela mas artistas lokal ten ki dado opurtunidadi)
N'ten quasi seteza ma txeu arguen di brockton ka sabi kenha ke presidenti di associasao, pmd es ka ta da ses rosto a kumunidadi, es ta fika so tras di mesa, es ta parsi so pa jantar di gala, jantar di keli, jantar di kela. Nu kre odja assosiacao mas involvido na kumunidadi, mas kumunidadi intero, ka so guentis bedju, ka so kenha ki teni problema ku dss, ka so guentis di familia di membrus di direson.
Kumunidadi kre odja mas transparensia na assosiason. Ami n'kre sabi quantidadi di dinhero ki Assosiason ta resebi tudo ano (loans, ajduda di governo lokal y federal) y modi kes sata usa kel dinhero. N'ta pidiba membrus di board di associacao pa bem li pa splikanu y mostranu ses planu di actividadi pa ano intero.
Kantu n binha Merka serka di 10 anos atras, Associacao tinha un timi di futibol di juniors, pmd ki kel timi disapareci, pmd ki associacao ka ten un prugrama di veron pa jovens?
Voltando a festival, n ta agradesi Associacao pa 10 minutus kes da Afrika Rainbow pa actua. Obrigado ForCV.com pa es opurtunidadi di sklaresi.
N'ta spera ma otu anu festival ta sta midjor y ki nu ta leba nos kultura pa frenti.

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Acho que devemos respeitar a nossa bandeira,tal como respeitamos aos nossos governantes,porque que numa festa sempre aparece as duas bandeiras. Acho que este site e que nao devia por fotos da banderia antiga no festival de Caboverdianos em Atlanta, porque as pessoas que andam com a bandeira antiga nao tem cabeca nu lugar,ou e muito fanatico e foi mandado por alguem.Ja e altura de esquecemos do que ja passou e comecamos a trabalhar por Cabo-Verde.Nao venha com coisas de "<STORIA>porque isso ja passou.Ouvi dizer tambe que a festa de Associacao Caboverdiana de Brockton ja tornou-se numa autentica palhacada com grupos que nao tem nada a ver com a tradicao Caboverdiana.Ha pessoas no grupo que fala o Criolo e Ingles mix.sem sentido apresentacao de Gaiatice e pobre.Ja e altura de termos alguem capaz na comunidade de fazer apresentacao,por exemplo Jornalistas profissionais ou alguem capaz<sem>
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Na verdade e um vergonha odja caboverdianos ainda ta exibe bandera antigo como bandera di ses pais.

E penas ki mesmo ki es ta fazel pa razom ki m'odja apresentado li (forma modi ki bandera foi trocado) e ridiculo sime pamodi, um di kess alguem ki era contra mudanca di bandera era Ze Maria Neves e Pedro Pires, mas hoje ess ta bai pa tudo lugar cu bandera kess sabi ma pertence a nacon caboverdiana (bandera actual).

Pelo menos ess ta demostra ma ess tem respeto pa democracia caboverdiana. Na constituicao staba claro modi ki bandera di nacao podia ser mudado e foi di kel manera modi staba na constituicao de republica ki mudado bandera ( votos di 2/3 de deputados di nacon) e ca staba ma bandera ta mudado atraves di "referendo popular".

Ness caso Viva Ze Maria e Pedro Pires ki sta demonstra mes sta respeta democracia.

Otus pessoas ki ainda ta continua ta exibe bandera antigo so pode ser resultado de completa ignoranca, e incapacidade de interpreta regras di democracia.

Exemplo de Merka di sul e um mau exemplo porke kes gentes ki ainda ta exibe bandera de Conferdeacao e kess mesmo gentes ki ta defende ma "scravatura" devia continuaba, ma verdadeiros "americanos" e Brancos di Sul e ki ainda ta assassina preto si txiga perto di ses casa, inclusive defende politica di Hitler ( por outros palavras= RACISMO).

Sera ki e kel la ki bu ta defende tambe pa CABO VERDE?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject: staba bom Reply with quote

festival staba muito bom e organisacao sta de parabens pamode es ta fazi um cuse bonito pa nos cidade onde tem muito caboverdeano ... so que tem sempre tudo ano um cusa pa compo .. por exmplo.. me ta gosta muito que nos artista de comunidade da mas apoio me sabi ma le na brockton tem muito artista de kess bom... tambem me ta gostaba que de obi musica mas de caboverde mas ... de que rap hip hop reage pamode la eh dia de caboverde na brockton .. pa nu obi mas morna mas coladeira ... assim nu ta sinti mas na caboverde /// ok
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

e ka vurgonha nada mostra bandera "antigo" ou qulquer tipo di bandera. Pra ja abo ( Cabrala) y arguen ki ta pensa sima bo ki ka ta ruspeta dimokrasia. Afinal ku z ke Dimokrasia.
Ki signifikadu ten un bandera si sidadons ka sta tras di kel bandera? Ze Maria Neves y Pedro Pires es e obrigado a mostra bandera "novo' pmd es e ofisial mas grandi di CV y infelizmenti kela ke nos bandera ofisial. Manera ki skodjedu kel bandera la e anti-dimokratiku y ka ten ninguen ki ta fla ma bandera la foi skodjedu di manera ligitu. Sidadons ten direitu di pelu menus da opinion si es kre bandera pa mudadu o nao.
Nu fazi un poll nu pergunta sidadons di Kabu Verdi ki bandera kes ta apoia. sen leba en konsiderason kal ki ke ofisial ou nao? Nu leba en konsiderason signifikadu di bandera.

Kal ke signifikadu di koris di actual bandera, ku z ke ta simboliza?






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Na verdade e um vergonha odja caboverdianos ainda ta exibe bandera antigo como bandera di ses pais.

E penas ki mesmo ki es ta fazel pa razom ki m'odja apresentado li (forma modi ki bandera foi trocado) e ridiculo sime pamodi, um di kess alguem ki era contra mudanca di bandera era Ze Maria Neves e Pedro Pires, mas hoje ess ta bai pa tudo lugar cu bandera kess sabi ma pertence a nacon caboverdiana (bandera actual).

Pelo menos ess ta demostra ma ess tem respeto pa democracia caboverdiana. Na constituicao staba claro modi ki bandera di nacao podia ser mudado e foi di kel manera modi staba na constituicao de republica ki mudado bandera ( votos di 2/3 de deputados di nacon) e ca staba ma bandera ta mudado atraves di "referendo popular".

Ness caso Viva Ze Maria e Pedro Pires ki sta demonstra mes sta respeta democracia.

Otus pessoas ki ainda ta continua ta exibe bandera antigo so pode ser resultado de completa ignoranca, e incapacidade de interpreta regras di democracia.

Exemplo de Merka di sul e um mau exemplo porke kes gentes ki ainda ta exibe bandera de Conferdeacao e kess mesmo gentes ki ta defende ma "scravatura" devia continuaba, ma verdadeiros "americanos" e Brancos di Sul e ki ainda ta assassina preto si txiga perto di ses casa, inclusive defende politica di Hitler ( por outros palavras= RACISMO).

Sera ki e kel la ki bu ta defende tambe pa CABO VERDE?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N'ka pode condorda cu bo nisso Kriason.

Demokrasia ka significa ma qualker alguem pode scodje si propi bandera nem fazi cuse ke kre. E significa ma nu ta scodje e nu ta discute um regra de respeto mutuo e nos tudo nu ta sigui kel regra, na tudo cusa na governacon , na convivencia, etc.

Bandera eh symbolo ki ta representa um nacon. Nos nacon e novo por isso nos bandera e novo. Mas regras di democracia ta sta scrito na constituicon e e baseado na lei reconhecido internacionalmente e pa ONU como leis ki ta defende direitos hmanos pluralismo na governacon e na toma decisons di pais.

So ki na constiuicon ki fazedo pa Cabo Verde apartir de 1975 sta ma ki pode muda bandera e deputados di Nacon. Deputados e scodjedo pa povo pe representa povo na toma decisons, mas povo ka tem ki sta necessariamente sta la tudo bes ki tem ki tomado decison, por isso ke ta vota na kem ke kre.

Povo ki tem culpa di vota so na um partido sima carnero, e assim kel partido ta domina na toma decison sem negocia ku otu partido ki ta representa otus alguem. Povo ki tem culpa nisso. kuando fazedo proposta pa mudanca di bandera, constituicon sta flaba ma 2/3 di deputados era necessario pa muda bandera. Isso e o ki ta contice na monte pais democratico. Constituicon ka fla ma governantes tinha ki perguntaba povo primero.

Ma na um pais nu tem ki tem um so Bandera Nacional, pamodi bandera ta representa Nacao, Pais, Territorio, nao individuos o grupos de individuos.

So pam ka fugi demas di tema, Festival di brockton de ess ano staba midjor ki ano passado por isso n'ta acredita ma proximo ano ta ser midjor.

Cu respeto,

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sick and tired of seeing cabo verdianos walking around with the old CV flag. My question is do they know the history behind it both good and bad. Its time that we respect our new flag and what it signifies for our country (CHANGE & PROGRESS). We are not Guiné we need our own flag our own identity.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:39 pm    Post subject: NEW FLAG OF UNITY Reply with quote

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I am sick and tired of seeing cabo verdianos walking around with the old CV flag. My question is do they know the history behind it both good and bad. Its time that we respect our new flag and what it signifies for our country (CHANGE & PROGRESS). We are not Guiné we need our own flag our own identity.


We have a few questions to ask. What makes you think that the old flag was one of Guinea. The flag of Cabo Verde from the struggle for independence was the the flag with the ears of corn and the conch( Sea Shell and the black star, It was not the present day flag that brought about the change. Here is the only flag that had the best meaning for Cabo verde. Who voted for the change it was not the people of Cabo verde and why was the flag with red,white and blue chosen?

Is there some shame of the African identity in which the people of Cabo verde are more in the African look then in any other. Pov Cabo verde look like Mauritania,Senegalese,Egypt, Sudan,Ethiopia,Morocco and many have the look of many different tribes of people from the Iberian Penisula (Portugal) and other nationals to many too name. Cabo Verde is West Africa just as Madagascar is East Africa.

We made the change after we were helped by our Brothers and Sisters from Guinea Bissau which we are family which we can not deny just as we can not deny our European ancestry.

It was not Guinea Bissau that enslaved us or was they that colonized Cabo Verde. We must forever be grateful for the many people from Guinea along with those of Cabo verde that gave us our independence.

Yes Dr.Amilcar Cabral,Aristides Pereira,Abilo Duarte,Jose Arujo,Louis Cabral and Nino Veira DOMINGO RAMOS,VASCO CABRAL,ANDRADE GOMES and MANY WOMAN FROM GUINEA THAT CARRIED 100 POUND BAGS ON THEIR HEADS TO FEED OUR COMBATANTS so many others IN WHICH ARE NOT NAMED.

Today we find that Guinea Bissau and Cabo Verde are working together to make progress and to advance our state of affairs. That is called a step into our Pan Africanism.

At that time there was a party flag for unity in our struggle which had the Black star red ,green and yellow. that was the flag of the struggle for Guinea Bissau and Cabo verde people shed their blood for our freedom.
Many people are handicapped because of the many wounds they suffered.

My friend rather then to argue about the flags Because I know the meaning of both and both tell a great story about Cabo Verde.
So here is the solution for unity.

Take the new flag with the ten stars make it wider in circumference and put the Black star with the ears of corn and the sea shell in the center and we will have the best of both worlds.

The we will have a flag of unity to satisfy both sides.
The most beautiflag in the world.

top blue for the sky (universe) Bottom Blue for the ocean deep white stripes for dignity, purity,ten atars for the Islands the Black star of African unity (Pan Africanism) The corn for the food we need that we never have famine again,the seashell which represents all that is in the sea,Top & Bottom. also the ear of corn with its green foliage is for life,also the gold stand for harvesting both from the land and the sea.

We cover all that is in the sky the sun,moon and stars and infinity,the reality & actuality on our planet earth. Brother Vasco Pires and John Brito have a image on what it would like on there Web page.

This way we will have one flag that sybolize our ones as a people in unity.

I AM ALSO DISPLEASED WHEN I SEE FOLK WITH TWO DIFFERENT FLAGS. THAT ONLY SHOWS DIVISION & CONFUSION.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:46 pm    Post subject: ONE FLAG. UNITY. Reply with quote

NewFlag wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing cabo verdianos walking around with the old CV flag. My question is do they know the history behind it both good and bad. Its time that we respect our new flag and what it signifies for our country (CHANGE & PROGRESS). We are not Guiné we need our own flag our own identity.


How do you define the identity of the people of Cabo Verde?

CHANGE & PROGRESS FOR CABO VERDE WAS MADE IN THE ARM STRUGGLE THAT TOOK PLACE IN GUINEA BISSAU. THAT WAS THE BEGINING MOVEMENT FOR OUR LIBERATION.

THERE WAS SOME ISSUES THAT WERE CREATED BY PORTUGAL AND EUROPEAN MINDED CABOVERDIANOS WHO WAS OF THE OLD COLONIALIST MENTALITY,WHO WANTED TO DENY THAT CABO VERDE IS AFRICA;IN TERMS OF GEOGRAPHY AND POPULATION.

WE HAVE GONE BEYOND THAT NOW,THE GREATER MAJORITY AT LEAST 98 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT. EVEN WHEN MPD CAME INTO POWER THEY DID NOT DENY THAT CABO VERDE IS AFRICA IT IS VERY CLEAR IN THE SPEACH THAT WAS MADE IN 1991 BY DR.AMILCAR SPENCER LOPES IN HIS SPEACH THAT WAS MADE AT THE SECOND EXTRAORDINARY SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE,IN 1992 DURING WHICH THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF CABO VERDE WAS ADOPTED.

DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY WE ARE WORKING ON THE NEW FLAG, Very Happy

A FLAG OF UNITY WHICH IS OUR UNIVERSE AND OUR MOTHER EARTH.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: NEW FLAG OF UNITY Reply with quote

CABO VERDE IS WORKING FOR DEVELOPING ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY A SHINNING STAR FOR THE WORLD TOO SEE. WE ALSO ARE THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE LIFE GIVER OF THE ORIGIN AND BIRTH PLACE OF ALL HUMANITY AFRICA.

OUR SHADOW TELLS US WE ARE ONE WITH ALL OF HUMANITY AND WHEN WE LOOK UP INTO THE FACES OF THE WORLD YOU SEE THE KALEIDOSCOPE OFOF THE PEOPLE OF CABO VERDE WHICH IS A FRACTION OF ME AS SPOKEN IN VASCO R.A. PIRES BOOK A FRACTION OF ME. HE TALKS ABOUT THE AFRICAN SEED. MY DRUM. GET THE BOOK IT IS A REQUIRED READING FOR ALL.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manu Salah, give your ideas reasonably but stop preaching us and trying to convert us into Muslins. You are getting to muxh with this muslin agenda. Just be a good Cape Verdean and share your sicere ideas with us. But pealse, stop the indoctrination!
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We have a few questions to ask. What makes you think that the old flag was one of Guinea. The flag of Cabo Verde from the struggle for independence was the the flag with the ears of corn and the conch( Sea Shell and the black star, It was not the present day flag that brought about the change. Here is the only flag that had the best meaning for Cabo verde. Who voted for the change it was not the people of Cabo verde and why was the flag with red,white and blue chosen?

Is there some shame of the African identity in which the people of Cabo verde are more in the African look then in any other. Pov Cabo verde look like Mauritania,Senegalese,Egypt, Sudan,Ethiopia,Morocco and many have the look of many different tribes of people from the Iberian Penisula (Portugal) and other nationals to many too name. Cabo Verde is West Africa just as Madagascar is East Africa.



I am well informed on the history of my country so I know very well what the "old" flag represented. I also know through my families past experience with PAICV(GC) that though they should be applauded for bringing revolution to Cabo Verde/ Guine they should also be condemned for the atrocities they committed along the way. It appears as though we traded on oppressor PIDE for another PAICV.

Supporting PAICV in now way shape or form means that you support the idea that CV's are AFRICANS. I personally know of many CV's that are PAICV and would slap you in the face if you ever tell them that they are AFRICAN.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject: Sincere idea Reply with quote

Kriolo wrote:
Manu Salah, give your ideas reasonably but stop preaching us and trying to convert us into Muslins. You are getting to muxh with this muslin agenda. Just be a good Cape Verdean and share your sicere ideas with us. But pealse, stop the indoctrination!


Kriolo I don't know where you get the idea that I am trying to convert any one to be a muslim when in fact I am not one myself. I have made comparative studies of religions,and i am a universalist ( Catholic) in my thinking and if anything I much more closer to the Buddhist philosophy.
You can be what ever you want my only concern is that we be kind to each other and work for the progress and unity for all our people. That is my sincere idea friend. Some times i have been provocative only to make us think. Have a good life filled with joy & happiness.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:17 am    Post subject: New Flag Concepts Reply with quote

Very interesting forum indeed. I was asked by Brother Manu Salah Matteos to post in this forum, a flag concept that he mostly designed with a little help from myself and Capt. Vasco.. Guess I'll give it a try, here goes,
The flag incorporates most of the design images of both the old CV flag and the new one and represents unity in this and hopefully all other matters involving the People of Cabo Verde and the Cape Verdeans abroad.. Pick one,

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Very interesting forum indeed. I was asked by Brother Manu Salah Matteos to post in this forum, a flag concept that he mostly designed with a little help from myself and Capt. Vasco.. Guess I'll give it a try, here goes,
The flag incorporates most of the design images of both the old CV flag and the new one and represents unity in this and hopefully all other matters involving the People of Cabo Verde and the Cape Verdeans abroad.. Pick one,

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GREAT JOB JOHN PINTO AND VASCO PIRES PERHAPS THIS WILL HELP US TO BRING UNITY FOR THE FLAG OF THE FUTURE. WE WANT TO BE OF ONE MIND WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE. WE MAY HAVE DIFFERENCES THAT IS WHAT MAKE US A WISE PEOPLE OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING,ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ONE.

VIVA POVO CABO VERDE UNIDADE.

HERE IS A POEM BY CAPTAIN VASCO R.A. PIRES FROM HIS BOOK
A FRACTION OF ME.
SON OF CABO VERDE (AMILCAR CABRAL) ( Abel D' Jassi)

FIDJU DE KABU VERDI
KEL FIDJU DI KABU VERDI DJA BAI
SE VIDA KABA MUITU SE'DU
MAI NUS KA MESTE TEN MEIDU
PAMO'DI SE SPIRITU E' KUMA MAR
E'STA, NA NOS TUDU.

ENGLISH TRANSLATION


AMILCAR CABRAL
(ABEL D'JASSI)

SON OF CABO VERDE
THE SON OF CABO VERDE IS GONE.
HIS LIFE ENDED TOO EARLY.
BUT,WE NEED NOT BE AFRAID
BECAUSE,HIS SPIRIT IS LIKE THE SEA
IT IS IN ALL OF US.

HERE IS ANOTHER POEM FROM CAPT VASCO R,A.PIRES

ISLANDS

WHAT IS IT ABOUT THESE ISLANDS
THAT ATTRACT ME SO?

I THINK OF THEM WHEREVR I GO.
LIKE JEWELS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEA,
ALWAYS BECKONING ME.

VOICES IN THE WIND,
CALLING FROM ACROSS THE SEA.

MY ANCESTORS,CALLING FROM THE PAST.
REMINDING ME,
ONLY TREASURES OF THE HEART WILL LAST.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice Djiga my friend!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nu debi fazi un poll pa nu odja numero di sidadons ke kontra y favor a mudansa di bandera.
Y falando na Festival di Veron, kel na Onset e so pa kopu letis y ses amigos.
Es teni bons line up di artistas mas sta mesti artistas jovens tb. E ka so kotas ki sabi kanta morna y funana nao. So ki guentis (CaboVideo) ten ses grupo di artistas kes ta leba tudu kau. Nos ki sta kumesa nu ten ki da nos spidienti. Valdir y Spencer nhos djudanu favor.

Artistas Jovens di Kabu Verdi.
Peace

Anusio: Radio Continentale Festival. Montello st. Brockton. Sunday 13.
all day festival. International artist from Caribean and K.V Islands.




NewFlag wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing cabo verdianos walking around with the old CV flag. My question is do they know the history behind it both good and bad. Its time that we respect our new flag and what it signifies for our country (CHANGE & PROGRESS). We are not Guiné we need our own flag our own identity.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:
Nice Djiga my friend!


Ok My friend we are together in the unity for all Cabo Verde people,this is a new day,progress and advancement.
Victory is ours for sure.

Unidade e lutta.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:33 am    Post subject: HISTORICAL FACTS. Reply with quote

Kriolo wrote:
Manu Salah, give your ideas reasonably but stop preaching us and trying to convert us into Muslins. You are getting to muxh with this muslin agenda. Just be a good Cape Verdean and share your sicere ideas with us. But pealse, stop the indoctrination!


Sorry I must tell you these are not just ideas but they are a reality of what was and what is. I am not trying to convert any one but to give history that most of our young people are not aware of. True history is best qualified to reward all research my Kriolo Brother. I am sharing a part of history that I have lived both in West Africa from Senegal to Gambia to Guinea Bissau,Conakry Guinea and to Cabo Verde in truth and sincerity this is not an indoctrination this is a lesson of the facts.

My agenda is to give everyone the chance to see the whole picture and the actuality of our reality if you don't believe me then I will ask you to ask others who know this to be true,ask your Embassy or the office of the Consulate General. I am a teacher of history and this you will not find in a book. There are many who served with PAIGC and many other honest people from Cabo Verde who also know this to be true.
Thank you for your kindness.
Don't be a prisoner of the past open your mind to the future.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject: Cabo Verde West Africa. Reply with quote

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We have a few questions to ask. What makes you think that the old flag was one of Guinea. The flag of Cabo Verde from the struggle for independence was the the flag with the ears of corn and the conch( Sea Shell and the black star, It was not the present day flag that brought about the change. Here is the only flag that had the best meaning for Cabo verde. Who voted for the change it was not the people of Cabo verde and why was the flag with red,white and blue chosen?

Is there some shame of the African identity in which the people of Cabo verde are more in the African look then in any other. Pov Cabo verde look like Mauritania,Senegalese,Egypt, Sudan,Ethiopia,Morocco and many have the look of many different tribes of people from the Iberian Penisula (Portugal) and other nationals to many too name. Cabo Verde is West Africa just as Madagascar is East Africa.



I am well informed on the history of my country so I know very well what the "old" flag represented. I also know through my families past experience with PAICV(GC) that though they should be applauded for bringing revolution to Cabo Verde/ Guine they should also be condemned for the atrocities they committed along the way. It appears as though we traded on oppressor PIDE for another PAICV.

Supporting PAICV in now way shape or form means that you support the idea that CV's are AFRICANS. I personally know of many CV's that are PAICV and would slap you in the face if you ever tell them that they are AFRICAN.


Africa is a continent,Europe is a continent,America is a continent,Asia is a continent.

There is Continental Africa there is Continental America we will just deal with those two. Continental America has North & South America and Central America. I live in the United States but in the US we are not all the same their are many nationalities or ethnic groups. Those who live in South America or Central America are also many different groups and they all look different with many different complexsion and they are all in the Americas but have different names for there specific country.

Hawaiian Islands is USA. Cabo Verde is West Afica.

Cabo Verde and other Islands of the archipelago for most part have an African population,we can start with Santiago,Boa vista etc we will see the African culture and motif even in the Island of Fogo & Brava. We are all Caboverdianos and we all look different but we are in Continental Africa,West Africa. We have many parties in Cabo Verde we have a democracy. We have The Party of African Independence of Cabo Verde.
That is self explanatory.

The Constitution of The Republic of Cabo Verde Title II Article 10 International Relations number #7 says this.
" The state of Cabo Verde shall be engaged in the effort the African
indentity, unity and intergration and in the strengthening of acts of
cooperation for development,democracy, progress and well being
of peoples,for the respect of Human Rights, peace and justice."

There are so many variables among Africans they are not all the same
why would any one want to slap some one in the face is beyond me.
All Americans are not all the same,perhaps some one else can explain that better for this person. Please let us be civil. (Polite)
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: NEW FLAG OF UNITY Reply with quote

God, please forgive this man because he doesn't know what we have suffered.
Labina
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: ReSacred Heart of Jesus Reply with quote

Dear Sister Labina we all need the forgivness from Deus.

I Know very well the sufferring of the people of Cabo Verde, enough people who came here from Cabo Verde have told the story of misery and pain,and hunger in Cabo Verde. Today you can go to some parts of Portugal and see the sufferring or to St.Tome Principie.

We can go to many other parts of Africa and see the sufferring and I have lived it from a point of reality being there in the bush and on the dessert. I did not live in Germany but we know of the horror that Hitler and the Nazi did to the Polish and to the people of Jewish religion.

I am of those who ask for forgivness from Deus for all my sins you don't have to ask God for me but if you like you can pray for me as i will pray for you. I love you Labina.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: ReSacred Heart of Jesus Reply with quote

Dear Sister Labina i just had a second thought. Since I know so little about Cabo verde will you then educate me on the reality and the truth,I can always learn from some one who knows more then me. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: ReSacred Heart of Jesus Reply with quote

Manu,
I've learned since I came to the US that one cannot find a free lunch on the table... So, I cannot teach you for free. You do know a little about CV. I can also teach you about the United States.
Labina
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: ENLIGHTENMENT & EDUCATION Reply with quote

Labina
Ok My dear sister I willing to hear what you have to say about US. There are a lot of things I don't know. so why don't we teach each other.
You are so right about there are no free lunches,I would just like to be your friend and work for unity and progress..I can tell you this I know the United States pretty good,I have lived hear most of my young adult life. Cool I have been thru a lot of changes here in the US. It is all in knowing how to play the game.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: ENLIGHTENMENT & EDUCATION Reply with quote

Being in the US all your life doesn't mean anything
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Re: ENLIGHTENMENT & EDUCATION Reply with quote

My Dear labina I certainly agree, if you mean that there is more to life then just being in the U.S.
I can tell you in all honesty that living in the U.S. has been very difficult for many reasons. Especially when you have been labeled as a minority,or as a so called colored man or Negro or a black man. Racisim in the U.S. has been felt very deeply by most of us who are dark in complexsion. On the other hand being born of Caboverdean immigrant parents and all the difficulties we hard to endure to try to survive hear in the U.S. was a big challenge back in the 30's to the present time.

I have nothing to hide for my life is an open book, full of mistakes and faults and short comings. Living and growing up in a society riddled with lies and falsities, and most people from among the poor underworking class will tell you the same. Traveling around the U.S. and also abroad help me to make some adjustment. All in all I will say that the U.S. did give all of us a better life in many ways,that is why so many people come to this country to make for a better life and you take the good and the bad and the ugly then make a choice to do your best not to break the law and go to jail and I can tell you I have never been to jail or been arrested. That is all for now. What do you have to tell this 73 year old man?

Manu Salah
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: ENLIGHTENMENT & EDUCATION Reply with quote

The only thing I can tell you is that you've missed the point. CV now is not the CV you knew over 20 years ago. I cannot teach you about the US and CV because you think that you know everything. There is a saying, "Do not give light to a blind". Please, do not ask my input
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