READ THIS GUYS! MANU SALAH HAS A BIG PROBLEM...!

Can we HELP HIM OUT? Anybody PLEASE!!!

Manu Salah wrote:

I think that to use color as an identity is to play into the hands of the racist by this color code system. We are an African people and we come from many different countries with names such likes of Nigeria, Uganda, Tanzania, Cabo Verde, Morocco, Guinea, Tunisia, etc. Black is not the name of any of the countries, we are to be known by the name of the nation we are from. Not by the color. This is only a western idea based on their premise of racism. I can accept that I am African but I am not black I am brown , and many are much lighter then both of us such as those from Libya, Algeria, Tunisia and some others. Mostly we find that “black” is used by the South Africans and the Americans and the Europeans. This does not make it correct. I also don't like the idea of using white to identify Europeans or Caucasians for that matter. To say one is black or white does not tell us who they are, and there are many shades in between. Even we have some people in Africa or in South America who are very fair, who are not Europeans. Take for example people from India, many who are much darker then you and I when they come to the USA they are not called black.

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Manu Salah is a Genious!

Read this, but please have a doctor next to you....

Manu Salah wrote:

Cabo Verde and its people are going through a lot of changes since independence. From PAIGC to PAICV and MpD. Do some research? Looks like the MpD, which is the movement for democracy, has in their form of democracy sold everything back to the Europeans. It does not take long for the forces of Neo-colonialist to run their game in terms of privatization and economic progress for the rich and the bourgeois. What's new? Yes of course there has been development; but who is taking the cash out of the country? you got it, the Europeans. Who is left in poverty and more misery? You got that right again. Don't give up hope. The people are seeing the light. Is it to late? No, it is never to late. PAICV is making a definite come back. We got Nho Lobo on the run. Oh for those who don't know who is Nho Lobo: he is the wolf who preys on the people with stories of making things better.

NOTE: DON'T FORGET THAT HE IS "ILLUMINATED". HE IS THE LIGHT HOUSE AMONG THE POOR OF MIND AND SOUL...

EXCUSE ME, BUT I NEED TO GO TO THE BATHROOM...

These discussions are being childish and anoying, just like Kakau said.
I do not understand how people who claim to be one with so much knowledge can be so without life!!!!!!

Very contradictory and disturbing indeed!

Some of you need to see a psychologist soon, even if you have the best degree in America.

I hope some people stop with some nonsense I've seen so far along this post to deserve the credit you claim they have!

Cabrala

OOPS!!!

Kakau, ACabral,Manu Salah hate when people talk about their nonsense...

Genious in our community at large!!!

BE AWARE!!!!

Pergunta ao Senhor Cabral:

O Sapo demonstrou duas passagens que contradizem a personalidade de Manu Salah, que muitos apontam aqui como sendo um "virtuoso" na comunidade que lhes rodeia. Para um senhor meio informado, esse senhor eh absolutante ridiculo e ignorante, como disse e muito bem o Sapo.

Acha que as declaracoes do senhor Manu Salah nao merecem ser discutidas, ou acha que discutir esse assunto sao "childish" como referenciou?

Parece que o Senhor Cabral somente intervem quando se trata de acusacoes bizarras contra o MPD, que as pessoas tentam desmascarar.
Nao e assim o senhor Analista Politico?

A question for you Mr. Genious:
Do you think that it's impossible for intelligent
people to discuss issues without calling people
names like Sapo does? Have you heard of the
concept of atttaking the ISSUE and not the PERSON?
If you condone Sapo's behavior on this forum you're
worst than he is. This has nothing to do with political
parties; it has to do with manners and the ability
to handle a discussion without going crazy and attacking
people like Sapo does. Why don't you review the
precepts of civil discussions?

Manu Salah is a living history. Everything he says makes complete sense. What he says about blackness and racism and about him not being Black is completely true. After all, the color of his skin is Brown, not Black. He's African. Period. There's not one country or continent on earth named Black. It was the racists who came up with this demonic and racist idea of labeling human beings along color lines.

The people of planet earth are Africans, first and foremost, because that's where all peoples emanated from, and then they spread out to what's now called the European continent, the Asian content, the American continent, the Australian continent and so on and so forth.

- A student of the honorable Manu Salah.

[quote="Manu"]

Anonymous wrote:

Manu Salah wrote: labina wrote: Sapo wrote: Not a problem. I am not familiar with Brockton, but I'll make an effort if you guys gonna be there. I prefer Luanda restaurant, which they say is the best in Brockton. All the people there are really cool. They all support MPD. What else can you expect? Only nice people is on MPD side. There's some exception with PAICV...but only a few! If you guys are from "AZIJAH", I may reconsider my position, but I really need to pass on some facts you don't know about yet, like this president that you support and really is US NUMBER ONE enemy! Trust me, I'm not against him because he could be my dad, but George Bush wouldn't be happy to know that the capeverdian Vets support this guy! Sapo, NO,NO,NO.... Do not believe them. They've realized that it is impossible to defeat you and now, they try to be "cool" to you. I am sure you understand their tricks... Now they know you better and because you are FAR more educated than them and you proved to them to be a VERY GOOD CITIZEN, your enemies of "yesterday" want to be your friend. Now, they call you brother... Aren't they threatning to send you back to CV? Aren't they going to talk to their GOD, to make sure you pay taxes? Tell them that your frieds must love democracy and justice for all human beings. Labina Marcelino lABINA WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. YOU ARE A TROUBLE MAKER AND AN INSTIGATOR,YOU LIKE TO PROVOK,TO INCITE INCIVILITY. MANU SALAH GRACA DE DEUS Manu, You're very wrong. I'm not a trouble maker and instigator as you picture me.. You don't respect anybody in this forum... Even women. We are tired of your nonsenses and threats in this "praça". Do you want to start with me now?! Go ahead!!! I will give you more than what SAPO didn't give to you. I'll put you in HELL where you belong. I am also a proud US citizen and my taxes are payed. You can call your GOD to defend you. Becareful!!!! Labina Marcelino[ ( Labina Marcelino Never have you heard me disrespect any woman.That shows how fallacious you are. I wish the best of health for you and happiness.) I do agree that you are a very angry woman, may God Bless you. This is the way you picture your self by what you write.There is no more to be said. Good By. Manu Salah

MANU
I am sick of your craps... You've been ofending many people in this Forum including myself.
I've been doing you a favor to reply your posts in English. Now on they're going to be in CV Creole or Portuguese and I encourage SAPO to do the same. If you don't understand them, ask your friends to help you. No more favor!!!! You, MANU, aren't Cape Verdean and nor a friend of CV. Therefore, yiou don't deserve our replies. I am angry of your craps. First, I thought you were a good "soul", then, after I read all your posts, I came to conclude that you're "something" different You aren't the "MAN OF DEUS". Yoy are really a trouble maker!!!
Be prepared for posts in Creole.

Labina Marcelino

Look, sapo, stop exhibiting the traits of your scream name. Manu Salah and I have explained to your that labeling human beings along the color lines is racist and demonic. There are no black, white yellow or red peoples. What Manu Salah and I are trying to explain to you is that is you are African, not Black or White or whatever. And you do not look like a portuguese. You look Cape Verdean, that is, African. If you really do look like a yanbab, a portuguese, you wouldn't have been challenged and riduculed for having tried to pass for a European(portuguese). But, in any case, the people that challenged and ridiculed you were wrong too. They, too, have been poisoned by the rethoric of the racist that tries to dictate that whatever is African in origin is Black. Not true. African does not equal Black. African equals humanity, be it European, Asian or American(north, central and south) or Australian(aborigine).

You not only need to stop exhibiting the traits of frogs but you also need to work on your English comprehension. Manu Salah and I are not claiming to be Brown, Black, Yellow or White or Red. We are colorless. We do not believe in labing ourselves and others with colors. What we're claiming to be is that We are Africans, period. You and the people who ridicule you and Cape Verdeans should adhere to the same fundamental verdade - that labeling human beings along the color line is inaccurate, racist and demonic.

There is nothing ignorant about the statement
that race is socially and in the case of U.S. LEGALLY
constructed. Check out the "one drop" rule and you
will find out why some people were labeled black and others
white. It was solely based on what you could get from being
one or the other. Whiteness of course brought access to
U.S. citizenhip and land. Being labeled black meant being
excluded from all the "goodies" that came from being American.
Why is it wrong for people to challenge the dichotomous nature
of race in U.S., for example?

What is childish is the personal offense that is being held here against some people because we disagree with them. " That is the least childish debate if inteneded to be seroius "only because I am nice" and demagogic if there is a non declared agenda".

The discussion itself make sense and we have debated this issue for a long period of time, but I understand that it is not an easy issue because that is an issue that most of the people were not taught in College or high school.

Asuming you are black, white, yellow or else is only a bad start to define humanity!

Who decided that in the first place? White people, right? do we need to find out why? It seems to be pretty clear for any minimally inteligent person.

As Manu Salah said, when you define yourself in terms of which color you are, you're just following the trap made by somebody with a racist agenda that hasn't been reviewed yet.

People are people and what defines them are not the color they are but who they are and who they are is not necessary which color fo skin they are, but their sense of being a person which is defined by their culture, hteir moral character, their human capabilities, etc.

You only feel black because somebody told you you are supposed to be black according to the racist policies "law" that was established to just to segregate with selfish interests.

Do you agree Sapo?

Otherwise, you would be confortable to called Capeverdean without thinking of which color you are, and that will make you more integrated as a person then being associated in "color code system" White vs black.

I agree with the participant who mentioned the establishement of "one drop rule" which he did not explain but means if you have one drop of black blood you are nothing but black.

Does this have anything scientific, reasonable, fair, plausible about it?
Are you confortable with this rule?
do you defend this as valid for your case?

You said you look like Portuguese but you consider yourself black. Is it so important to make yourself part of one of the two side of "dechotomy" more than it is important to be part of human race and be part of your cultural root because that, yes, will identify you.

Are you as concerned with black community as you are concerned with your people "Capeverdean" From your argument I don't think so!

That is because that's who you identify with not the people who have the same color you do.

I mean, we should be concerned with the human race in general without exception of color but has we narrow down to more specific community we should go for "ETHNIC COMMUNITY" NATIONALITY, CULTURAL BACKGROUND, not race or color.

Race is arbitrary and imposed by impostors.
Scientifically there is no differenc of blood in human being in terms of color.

If you are sick in the hospital and you need blood even if you consider yourself white you can have the black person's blood but you may have to discriminate between other blood characteristics even between your own "race"

The world is going to become United with one colorfull people and one race soon or later.

Cape Verde is the best example of that. Don't let it be a reason to be ashamed of but to be proud of. We don't think color, we think nation, people, and culture.

YOUR CULTURE MAKE YOU WHO YOU ARE. YOUR PSYCHOLOGICAL BEING IS YOUR CULTURE. IF YOU LOOSE YOUR PSYCHOLOGICAL BEING, YOU ARE NOT A PERSON IN ITS TRUE SENSE. YOUR SENSE OF YOU IS YOUR PSYCHOLOGICAL BEING.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU SUFFER FROM ANY TIPE OF AMNESIA "ALZHEIMER" THAT YOU FORGOT YOUR PAST HISTORY, YOUR INTELLIGENCE WILL STILL BE HIGH, BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHO YOU ARE FOR SURE BECAUSE YOU NEED THAT PAST TO DEFINE YOU.

EVEN THE COLOR THAT YOU ARE WON'T MAKE SENSE ANY MORE.

If that is tru you can't detach yourself from your culture.

So why bother with which color you are?

I am not black, not white, not yellow not brown. I am Capeverdean, and capeverdean ethnic group at most.

This is the philosophy of Manu Salah, that I defend, Kakau is on board and Manu is a good man no matter which side of Political Party his heart is. He did no harm to noboy ever, but helped.

Not every body from Africa is black. and Africa gave birth human race and to civilization.

Dear Cabrala,

Good that you reply. Without finger pointing who is right or who is wrong, about name callings and so forth, here are my reasons why I believe none of your arguments (which is the same) makes sense.

1-Races were originally defined on the basis of external phenotypic (appearance) characteristics. When originally defined, people did not know that the genetic changes that control skin color, facial morphology, etc. represent a very small percentage of the genes that control the human genome.

2-Scientifically, the human races are classified on the basis of geographic origin - African (groups indigenous to Africa), Caucasian (European populations), Greater Asian (Mongols, Polynesians, Micronesians), Amerindian (North & South American Indians, Eskimos), and Australoid (Australia, Papua).

3-To most people's surprise, there are no specific genes that define any particular race. In other words, all races share exactly the same genes. The races do exhibit polymorphisms (genetic variation at a specific locus), which tend to be more or less predominant in certain races, although nearly all can be found among all races in at least low levels. The major determinant of race, skin color, is controlled by genes that are present in all races. However, a recent study has shown that a single base pair change in the SLC24A5 gene resulted in the loss of pigmentation in Caucasian humans.1 Melanin, which exists in two forms (phenomelanin and eumelanin) is expressed as yellow and black skin color, respectively. The darkness of skin color (expression of melanin) is dependent upon the enzyme tyrosinase, which all races have in enough abundance to have very black skin color. However the regulation of tyrosinase determines what color the skin appears.

4-The genetics of racial differences are quite surprising to most people. When scientists examine protein polymorphisms (small genetic differences between people), the vast majority of differences (84%) are found within each racial group (between individuals of the same race). Only 10% of the variation is found between racial groups. Therefore, by far, there is more genetic variation within each race than between racial groups. In other words, the genetic differences that we cannot see visually are much more prevalent than the genetic differences we can see (racial differences).

5-The pattern of skin color around the world shows that dark skinned people are more prevalent near the equator whereas light skinned people predominate toward the poles. However, other markers of diversity don't show such simple worldwide patterns. Blood types (A and B, shown above) show a much more complex distribution pattern, with most blood types being expressed nearly worldwide. These data show that racial characteristics are mostly "skin deep."

6-Both the biblical creation model and evolutionary Darwinism make claims about the origin of modern humans. The biblical creation model says that mankind arose recently and suddenly from a single geographic location. The biblical model states that the appearance of modern humans coincided with the sudden appearance of human culture. In contrast, Darwinism predicts that humans arose gradually from ancient genetic roots, probably from multiple genetic sites.

NOTE:The verdict by Kakau and Manu Salah that human race was a diabolic invention seems to be following the BIBLICAL CREATION. If someone follows the evolutionary theory they are WRONG and untrue!

Who is to say who is right or who is wrong? Do we have any facts that support biblical explanation? There are so many unanswered questions!

This concludes my comments and observation of their phylosophy, and I leave this up to someone else to make their comments as they please.

Bravo Unknown quantity and thanks Sapo for your contribuition.

Dear Sapo, I agree with everything you say and everything you say is only to make sense that this philosophy is correct.

If, as you pointed out, the differences within the same race is far larger than the difference within the races, if you're placing people by "categories" or groups for any reason, would you separate people by color of their skin, by race, or by other criterias such as their cultural characteristics, their national origin, their ethnicity, or else?( Iam not talking discrimination)


I think we are only trying to make our community less divided than it already is. We are capeverdean "ethnic group" in American which makes us no different than the African American or white community because we have all of them in us, and we don't follow the raicist line of thought in which we will be divided in half, while we know it is wrong. Besides we have so much to add to the color of our skin to make us more and more Capeverdean. ( we eat catchupa, djagacida, papia crelo, badja funana, morna, fala txeu di nos vizinho) That is what makes us Capeverdean not the color of our skin.

If we focus too much attention to political parties we will be distracted from being more Capeverdean. That is not neglecting Politics and Policies but, as a community, we need to be concerned with real problems that affect our lives and the lives of our loved ones, and keep the people with Public responsabilities accountable and progress from there.

Cabrala

I think we all dream about a better Cape Verde, with all its diversity, but united towards a single goal, peace, Love, and progress.

It seems we gather together for any reason, but not to discuss relevant issues that affect our thinking, our mind, which could bring us closer together.

I guess (my suggestion) that the Cape Verdian minds should get together once a while to discuss these issues. I am sure it will attract a lot intelectual people that most of us never heard of, that could participate and bring meaningful contributions to these discussions. We have great minds that most likely decide to isolate themselves and not participate in any anything that is non-constructive.

With these type of meetings we will have a chance to know each other personally, and we'll value each participant in a different way than thru a discussion forum.

Don't get me wrong. This forum was a great idea, but people tend to be anonymous, and sometimes out of control, violating some codes of ethics, which can be offensive sometimes. Besides, the dynamics of a life discussion is never present in a discussion forum. Interaction is more effective in reaching an agreement, among people of different background.

Why don't we have something like this going? My 2 cents only...

Regards to All

Never said it was my own theory!
Scientific facts are facts, already proved by someone else. You just have to find it!
If you want to write about Slavery trade, between Africa, Cape Verde and so on, do you invent your own theory, or do you do some research and present the facts? When do you want to talk about Darwin Evolutionary theory, what do you do? In college when you write an essay about something, what do you do?

If I was talking on my own and not presenting facts it wouldn't matter!

Too fast to jump to the conclusion.

Thanks for bringing this up!

Correct! Sapo had an introductory comment followed by the facts he did some research on to support his arguments.

These facts are in contradition with those of Manu Salah. That's why he said Manu Salah's theory seems to follow biblical theory which is not supported by facts.

To finalize his comments Sapo had his own conclusion. A theory is only Theory when it is not supported by facts. When it is supported by facts is not a theory anymore. It becomes a scientific fact. That's basically what we all have been asking for. Facts+facts+facts!



Sapo didn't have to enumerate all his references to support his comments.
He did everyone a favor to to his research and presented here for all of us. I believe we all should learn from Sapo. He doesn't argue just for the sake of it. He does some research to support his arguments. That's what everyone should be doing!

Thanks Sapo for a Homework well done!