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CV2k · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 341

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"The world hates change, yet it is the only thing that has brought progress." - Charles Kettering

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salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 852

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT.

BUT THERE WILL BE A CHANGE LIKE IT OR NOT.

TIME DICTATES IT.

CV2k · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 341

Salah, if Raul quits, I can see you being a perfect replacement for Fidel. Laughing

Dictatorship is the compensation for the inability to lead democratically.

Change is uncomfortable but at the end it tends to produces good outcome. But Obama needs to hire me as his Change Management Secretary because he's going too fast. As he said in Turkey this week, 'government and [public systems] are like tankers not speed boats. You cannot change it in a heartbeat.' Nevertheless, he's changing too many things too quick. There are a lot of people that are not at ease with that and they are growing more and more angry at him. He needs to focus on one thing at a time.

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altair · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 122

the only certainty in life is change. nothing in this world remains static.... if that were the case the roman empire would still be going strong. in regards to obama moving quickly....he's probably a very good student of history and has taken a page out f lbj's and fdr's playbook who knew the first 100 days is when the majority of initiatives can be pushed through congress. after that it is politics, polarization, grandstanding, righteousness and divisiveness as usual.

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 852

altair wrote:

the only certainty in life is change. nothing in this world remains static....if that were the case the roman empire would still be going strong. in regards to obama moving quickly....he's probably a very good student of history and has taken a page out f lbj's and fdr's playbook who knew the first 100 days is when the majority of initiatives can be pushed through congress. after that it is politics, polarization, grandstanding, righteousness and divisiveness as usual.

ALTAIR HAS GIVEN PART OF MY ANSWER.

WHATEVER OBAMA DOES WILL NOT FIT THE MOLE FOR MOST AMERICANS AND WE ALL KNOW WHY.

OBAMA IS DOING THE BEST HE CAN WITH WHAT HE HAS TO WORK WITH.

LOOK I AM WITH YOU CV2K. I AM ON YOUR TEAM FOR DOING WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY BOTH IN THE USA & IN CABO VERDE.

IT ALL DEPENDS IN WHAT SO CALLED CLASS YOU'RE IN. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AMONG THE PEASANT CLASS BUT ALWAYS A WORKER FROM SUN UP TO SUN DOWN, NEVER A SLICK PERSON ALWAYS WITH MY HANDS TO THE GRIND STONE. I HAVE NEVER TAKEN ANYTHING FOR GRANTED.
I DO KNOW THE USA WAY OF LIFE I HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT.

I FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY I HAVE MADE SACRIFICES I KNOW THE DIFFICULTIES OF THE POOR AND I ALSO KNOW THE INJUSTICES I HAVE FELT THE PAIN OF ABUSE. I WANT THE BEST FOR ALL OF US BUT I KNOW TO WELL THE BS. I DO WANT A CHANGE MOST AMERICANS FROM THE POOR WORKING CLASS WANTS THE SAME. BUT WHEN WE SEE THE PEOPLE LIKE MADOFF AND ALL THE OTHER MADOFF'S WE BECOME MAD AND PISSED OFF. WHY DO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE INCARCERATED THEN SOME COUNTRIES' TOTAL POPULATION? WHY IS THAT HEALTH SERVICE INDUSTRY IS THE WAY IT IS? WHY DO WE PAY MONEY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPERATION AND IT IS TIME TO GET YOUR BENEFITS YOU GOT CHEATED AND ROBBED? I CAN TELL YOU THIS ABOUT ANY COUNTRY THAT HAS FOUGHT FOR LIBERTY CASTRO OR CABRAL IT WAS TO OVER THROW THE EVIL AND THE FAT CATS .

I AM NOT GOING TO TRY TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT WE ALL KNOW THE GAME.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS THAT WE COME TOGETHER TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. WE DO KNOW THAT CORRUPTION AND IMPROPER OR UNLAWFUL BEHAVIOR IS NOT VERY FAR AWAY.

I LOVE YOU AND I WISH THE VERY BEST. IT IS A MASSIVE MAZE OF CONFUSION. BUT I DO HAVE HOPE THAT SOME DAY WE WILL HAVE ALL GROWN UP AN WORK TO DO WHAT IS BEST.

Manu Salah

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 852

CV2k wrote:

Salah, if Raul quits, I can see you being a perfect replacement for Fidel. Laughing

Dictatorship is the compensation for the inability to lead democratically.

Change is uncomfortable but at the end it tends to produces good outcome. But Obama needs to hire me as his Change Management Secretary because he's going too fast. As he said in Turkey this week, 'government and [public systems] are like tankers not speed boats. You cannot change it in a heartbeat.' Nevertheless, he's changing too many things too quick. There are a lot of people that are not at ease with that and they are growing more and more angry at him. He needs to focus on one thing at a time.

YOUR TO FUNNY CV2K. THE BEST I COULD DO IS DRIVE A BUS BECAUSE I CAN'T CUT SUGAR CANE.,AND I CAN'T DO THE MAMBO OR THE SAMBA. BUT WE WILL SEND YOU TO TEACH THEM THE BATUKI & FUNANA. SOMETHING MUST CHANGE LIKE ALTAIR SAID.

LOOK. LET ME JUST SAY THIS I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE UP ON THE MOUNTAIN SIDE OF FOGO MY LIFE IS SIMPLE,NO SHOES,SHORT PANTS,BEAR CHESTED WALKING MY ASS DOWN THE ROAD Laughing

WHATS THE MATTER CAN'T YOU RUB YOUR STOMACH AND PAT YOUR HEAD AT THE SAME TIME. Laughing

CASTRO & RAUL ARE ON THE WAY OUT BUT SOME YOUNG CUBAN WITH A NEW CIGAR IS ON THE RISE Cool

MORABEZA FOR YOU TOO.

THINGS WILL BE AS USUAL,MONEY TALKS AND BS WALKS

PERHAPS I WILL GO TO BRAVA OR BOA VISTAR TO LIVE OUT THE REST OF MY DAYS Surprised

I'M TRYING TO LEARN SOMETHING HERE Confused

LOVE ALL OF YOU.

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 852

CV2k wrote:

Salah, if Raul quits, I can see you being a perfect replacement for Fidel. Laughing

Dictatorship is the compensation for the inability to lead democratically.

Change is uncomfortable but at the end it tends to produces good outcome. But Obama needs to hire me as his Change Management Secretary because he's going too fast. As he said in Turkey this week, 'government and [public systems] are like tankers not speed boats. You cannot change it in a heartbeat.' Nevertheless, he's changing too many things too quick. There are a lot of people that are not at ease with that and they are growing more and more angry at him. He needs to focus on one thing at a time.

WHAT DOES DEMOCRATICALLY REALLY MEAN? AND HOW WELL IS IT WORKING IN TODAYS WORLD. DEMON -DEMO --CRACY- RULE
DEVIL RULE HMMMMMMMM. I RATHER HAVE A REPUBLIC IF WE CAN HOLD ON TO IT. Wink

FOR THE REPUBLIC WHICH IT STANDS.

CV2k · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 341

Democracy, demo (people) + cracy (government) = government by the people, works better than any other known systems out there so far when its principles are followed correctly and not distorted to accomplish some political interests.

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Lu Mandjaco di Dulce · Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: 433

CV2k wrote:

Democracy, demo (people) + cracy (government) = government by the people, works better than any other known systems out there so far when its principles are followed correctly not distorted.

If Socialism was applied to the letter it would be an even greater system.

Lu Mandjaco di Dulce · Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: 433

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Nevertheless, he's changing too many things too quick.

No, he's not being bold enough. What he's doing is preserving the status quo and trying to promote change at the same time.

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There are a lot of people that are not at ease with that and they are growing more and more angry at him.

Status quo, status quo. Move people out of their comfort zone and they'll get mad at you. What Obama is failing to do is EXPLAIN the change, not just say change. Explain how it would positively impact our lives instead of talking about this thing he calls change. Change for the great majority of us is totally ABSTRACT. Change yes but how? When? What will it look like? Show me tangible results of ONE change and we'll move ahead. Most of us have NO vision. We rely on other people for that, we have no opinion before reading or watching the news (That's when we become geniuses).

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He needs to focus on one thing at a time.

This only applies to cataleptic brained politicians. Multi-tasking seems to be something our President excels at.

CV2k · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 341

It doesn't look like that he's trying to preserve the status quo. Actually, the defendants of the status quo are very mad at him for foreseeing some major changes he's implementing that will significantly affect their deep pockets.

President Obama is dealing with a major economic crisis and two big US issues: Health care restructuring and immigration policy and enforcement. Juggling with three big balls like those are not an easy task and, as a wise man as he is, he should know that he needs focus to do them right. Now, the argument made by altair about Washington and 100 days shed some light into his rush rush attitude.

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CV2k · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 341

Lu Mandjaco di Dulce wrote:

CV2k wrote:

Democracy, demo (people) + cracy (government) = government by the people, works better than any other known systems out there so far when its principles are followed correctly not distorted.

If Socialism was applied to the letter it would be an even greater system.

There is a tendency to misunderstand Democracy by Capitalism. The two works together closely. So does Socialism and democracy (e.g. Western European social democracies). But I think it's a mistake to contrast democracy with Socialism. The latter can be contrasted with Capitalism (both of them are regimes) but not with democracy, which in its turn can only be compared to other types of leadership or government styles like dictatorship, autocracy, authoritarianism, laissez faire laissez passe, etc.

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Lu Mandjaco di Dulce · Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: 433

CV2k wrote:

Lu Mandjaco di Dulce wrote:

CV2k wrote:

Democracy, demo (people) + cracy (government) = government by the people, works better than any other known systems out there so far when its principles are followed correctly not distorted.

If Socialism was applied to the letter it would be an even greater system.

There is a tendency to misunderstand Democracy by Capitalism. The two works together closely. So does Socialism and democracy (e.g. Western European social democracies). But I think it's a mistake to contrast democracy with Socialism. The latter can be contrasted with Capitalism (both of them are regimes) but not with democracy, which in its turn can only be compared to other types of leadership or government styles like dictatorship, autocracy, authoritarianism, laissez faire laissez passe, etc.

Point extremely well taken. I should've clarified my position, which is: socialism, when applied to the letter in a democratic society would be an even greater system.

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 852

Let me ask this question.

Was not Emmanuel (Jesus) a socialist in his electic thinking?
and also was he not about a change?

Did he not go into the Temple and turn over tables in anger Mad

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Could we not be able to see some comparison between Jesus & Jassi?

Both great men wanting to do some thing good for humanity.

Let us deal with the reality and actuality not the myth and lies that have been told about Jesus (aka) Yashua,Isa, etc etc.

CV2k · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 341

What ended up happening to the 'socialist' Jesus with his change agenda?
President Obama needs to learn from that and implement the change with a right approach not radically.

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Lu Mandjaco di Dulce · Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: 433

CV2k wrote:

What ended up happening to the 'socialist' Jesus with his change agenda?
President Obama needs to learn from that and implement the change with a right approach not radically.

Republicans obstructed Jesus's agenda, but at the time the acronym was RCC, Roman Catholic Church. Only recently did they elect to switch it to GOP.

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 852

Dear Beloved Brothers and Sisters.

The only thing that we can say at this time as a person from the out side looking in. And I can say this I am not privileged to inside info.

So let me ask this question.

Did not our revolution fall short when it got to Cabo Verde?

After the assassination of Cabral all hell broke loose to say the least.

Yes it appears that we took command up to a point but the negotiation behind the scene behind close doors with RCC powerful lobby let the negotiators compromise and make certain concessions..

RCC imperial rule is much stronger and had the majority of people in their hip pocket if I can use that term. Mind you I don't now. I am only trying to RETURN TO THE SOURCE. It is more difficult for a person of my age who had assimilated to the Western world and been discombobulated.

only thing I can say it is when Amilcar Cabral came into my life that my attitude and thinking became more wise and out of the darkness.
But he was killed before i or we had a chance to get the complete understanding. So now here we are. I will just leave it at that.

Last word up. Amilcar Cabral said this:
"IF PORTUGAL HAD CREATED IN MY COUNTRY AN ASSEMBLY,WE WOULD NOT CREATE ONE OURSELVES.
WE DON'T ACCEPT ANY INSTITUTION OF THE PORTUGUESE COLONIALISTS. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE PRESEVATION OF ANY OF THE STRUCTURES OF THE COLONIAL STATE. IT IS OUR OPINION THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO TOTALLY DESTROY,TO BREAK TO REDUCE TO ASH ALL ASPECTS OF THE COLONIAL STATE IN OUR COUNTRY IN ORDER TO MAKE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE FOR OUR PEOPLE."

You can read this in [RETURN TO THE SOURCE] ON PAGE 83 (Connecting the Struggles). Cabral went on to say: " Some independent African states preserved the structures of the colonial state. in some countries they only replaced a white man with a black man,but for the people it is the same. you have to realize that it is very difficult for the people to make a distinction between one Portuguese, or white, administrator and one black administrator."

Some thing for us to think about.
My last question is this how many people in the assembly belong to RCC and that fraternity in Rome in the vatican?
Manu Salah Omo Wali Mateus

Lu Mandjaco di Dulce · Joined: 07 Sep 2008 Posts: 433

You go ahead and try to contest the RCC's supremacy and Africa might again see the power of the Almighty through the West tanks and airplanes to "save us".

salah Mateus · Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 852

NO DOUBT NO DOUBT. THAT IS WHAT YOU REALLY CALL IMPERIALISTIC RULE WOULD YOU NOT SAY? RCC HAS MORE MILITARY MIGHT AS IT HAS WITH RELIGOUS RITES. WORLD WIDE. JESUS MUST BE TURNING OVER IN HIS GRAVE.

webriq · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 1

Change is the common thing ,we have to accept it

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